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  1. Bree's Avatar
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       09 Apr 2018 #11

    Good, I'm glad to have helped.
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  2.    09 Apr 2018 #12

    Howdy, Bree:


    Another real-time question.
    (Should this be submitted as a new thread?)


    I need to copy my Data files/partition (33.1 GB) from my WIN 7 notebook to the new WIN 10 - Disk 2 - DATA partition (200 GB).


    How to use Minitool Partition Wizard copy partition to accomplish this task... or would you recommend another method?


    Thank you much in advance!

    ~ Alan
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       09 Apr 2018 #13

    ab1kenobee said: View Post
    Howdy, Bree:


    Another real-time question.
    (Should this be submitted as a new thread?)


    I need to copy my Data files/partition (33.1 GB) from my WIN 7 notebook to the new WIN 10 - Disk 2 - DATA partition (200 GB).


    How to use Minitool Partition Wizard copy partition to accomplish this task... or would you recommend another method?


    Thank you much in advance!

    ~ Alan
    2 different machines? MiniTool works it's magic on partitions on the same machine, internal and/or external drives. For a quick accurate safe transfer of a large partition, I would use Macrium Reflect (Free) and save an image of the partition from Win 7 box (to external drive), and restore it to Win 10 box.

    Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free
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  4.    09 Apr 2018 #14

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    2 different machines? MiniTool works it's magic on partitions on the same machine, internal and/or external drives. For a quick accurate safe transfer of a large partition, I would use Macrium Reflect (Free) and save an image of the partition from Win 7 box (to external drive), and restore it to Win 10 box.

    Macrium Software | Macrium Reflect Free

    f14tomcat:

    Thank you.


    For understanding...

    1. Why NOT a MiniTool Partition Wizard DISK COPY?

    2. How does Macrium work that it is the better choice for this application?

    3. What about a PERMISSIONS issue as Bree mentions below?


    Thanks much.

    ~ Alan
    Last edited by ab1kenobee; 09 Apr 2018 at 17:31.
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  5. Bree's Avatar
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       09 Apr 2018 #15

    ab1kenobee said: View Post
    I need to copy my Data files/partition (33.1 GB) from my WIN 7 notebook to the new WIN 10 - Disk 2 - DATA partition (200 GB).
    Actually cloning a partition from one machine to another is likely to run into permissions problems. Even if your user name is the same on both machines the two accounts are recognised as being different. You may not have permission to access the files if you make a clone of the original partition.

    If both PCs can be networked, for copying data across I would share the data drive on the Windows 7 notebook, granting the EVERYONE group full control. Then on the Windows 10 PC map to the network share and use File Explorer to copy everything across to the new Data partition on the Windows 10 PC.
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  6.    09 Apr 2018 #16

    Bree said: View Post
    Actually cloning a partition from one machine to another is likely to run into permissions problems. Even if your user name is the same on both machines the two accounts are recognised as being different. You may not have permission to access the files if you make a clone of the original partition.

    If both PCs can be networked, for copying data across I would share the data drive on the Windows 7 notebook, granting the EVERYONE group full control. Then on the Windows 10 PC map to the network share and use File Explorer to copy everything across to the new Data partition on the Windows 10 PC.

    Howdy, Bree.

    OK. Shall do.

    Interesting that using a partition image is not a viable solution... in that it would be enormously faster and simpler.


    Much appreciate!

    ~ Alan
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       09 Apr 2018 #17

    ab1kenobee said: View Post
    f14tomcat:

    Thank you.


    For understanding...

    1. Why NOT a MiniTool Partition Wizard DISK COPY?

    2. How does Macrium work that it is the better choice for this application?

    3. What about a PERMISSIONS issue as Bree mentions below?


    Thanks much.

    ~ Alan
    Being it was a data partition, vids, pics, text, Installer files, etc. the chance of permission issues would be slim, but possible for some data. You own the data, so it would be some sort of internal ID asociated with the same account from 2 different systems. Security issues. If any should occur, simply take ownership. I've done that 100's of times without problems. I would not "Clone" the partition as mentioned, I would make an image (Macrium mrimage file) of just that data partition, then restore it by the drag and drop method wherever you wanted it to be. If later you wanted to move or resize it, then MiniTool is the perfect solution. Just a combination of tools for the purpose.

    Oh, one last thing. With the Macrium image, it can always be "mounted" as a virtual drive and any files can be cherry picked from it. Using Explorer.

    Remembered one more thing.....even the free version has a File and Folder backup option, as opposed to full partition. Useful for when you don't need/want to image the entire partition. Works with same compression and restore methods.
    Last edited by f14tomcat; 09 Apr 2018 at 19:17.
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  8.    10 Apr 2018 #18

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Being it was a data partition, vids, pics, text, Installer files, etc. the chance of permission issues would be slim, but possible for some data. You own the data, so it would be some sort of internal ID asociated with the same account from 2 different systems. Security issues. If any should occur, simply take ownership. I've done that 100's of times without problems. I would not "Clone" the partition as mentioned, I would make an image (Macrium mrimage file) of just that data partition, then restore it by the drag and drop method wherever you wanted it to be. If later you wanted to move or resize it, then MiniTool is the perfect solution. Just a combination of tools for the purpose.

    Oh, one last thing. With the Macrium image, it can always be "mounted" as a virtual drive and any files can be cherry picked from it. Using Explorer.

    Remembered one more thing.....even the free version has a File and Folder backup option, as opposed to full partition. Useful for when you don't need/want to image the entire partition. Works with same compression and restore methods.

    Howdy, f14tomcat:


    Much appreciate your follow-up.
    In correct vernacular... let me REPHRASE my original question:

    Is it possibly a viable solution to create an IMAGE COPY (not clone) of my DATA files/partition (33.1 GB) from my WIN 7 notebook and RESTORE this IMAGE COPY to the new notebook WIN 10 - Disk 2 - DATA partition (200 GB)?


    You say yes: I would make an image (Macrium mrimage file) of just that data partition, then restore it by the drag and drop method wherever you wanted it to be.



    QUESTIONS:

    1. WHY use Macrium mrimage vs. MiniPW image copy?

    2. Will Macrium or Minitool COMPRESS the 33.1 GB DATA partition? (... to what approx. file size?)


    Minitool responded with the following instructions:

    MiniTool Software Mod wrote Alan 3 hours ago
    Please follow the steps below to copy your Data Partition:
    1. Connect Disk2 to your Win7 Notebook
    2. Lauch Partition Wizard on Win7 Notebook
    3. Click Copy Partition feature and finish this operation according to the hint

    You can check how to copy partition in detail on this page:
    How to Copy Partition | MiniTool Partition Wizard Tutorial


    QUESTION: Is MiniTool's instructions a half-baked response to this specific issue?


    Thank you much!

    ~ Alan



    P.S. Would it make sense to have MOD make this question a new thread?
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  9.    10 Apr 2018 #19

    Clintlgm said: View Post
    From what I have just read, you need the pro paid for version to access the Win PE Bootable ISO.

    Hi there

    why not use GPARTED instead if you want a bootable USB --it's FREE simply download the ISO and use RUFUS to create bootable USB.

    While it's based on LINUX it's a simple GUI that any windows user will have no difficulty in using. Has no problems with creating / re-sizing Windows partitions etc.

    https://gparted.org/

    For cloning / imaging HDD's FREE MACRIUM is the tool a lot of people on these boards use -- very stable and of course FREE. Works either as bootable or runs on Windows itself.

    Cheers

    jimbo
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       10 Apr 2018 #20

    ab1kenobee said: View Post



    Howdy, f14tomcat:


    Much appreciate your follow-up.
    In correct vernacular... let me REPHRASE my original question:

    Is it possibly a viable solution to create an IMAGE COPY (not clone) of my DATA files/partition (33.1 GB) from my WIN 7 notebook and RESTORE this IMAGE COPY to the new notebook WIN 10 - Disk 2 - DATA partition (200 GB)?


    You say yes: I would make an image (Macrium mrimage file) of just that data partition, then restore it by the drag and drop method wherever you wanted it to be.



    QUESTIONS:

    1. WHY use Macrium mrimage vs. MiniPW image copy?

    2. Will Macrium or Minitool COMPRESS the 33.1 GB DATA partition? (... to what approx. file size?)


    Minitool responded with the following instructions:

    MiniTool Software Mod wrote Alan • 3 hours ago
    Please follow the steps below to copy your Data Partition:
    1. Connect Disk2 to your Win7 Notebook
    2. Lauch Partition Wizard on Win7 Notebook
    3. Click Copy Partition feature and finish this operation according to the hint

    You can check how to copy partition in detail on this page:
    How to Copy Partition | MiniTool Partition Wizard Tutorial


    QUESTION: Is MiniTool's instructions a half-baked response to this specific issue?


    Thank you much!

    ~ Alan



    P.S. Would it make sense to have MOD make this question a new thread?
    I'm not totally sure how to answer the solution Alan gave you because I do not know what the "Disk2" is. I hate to assume, but it's probably the disk in the new machine. Is it removable? I can't answer this. Seems a long way to go for a simple operation. As far as compression, Macrium standard is ~60%, so that 33GB would create a ~20GB image. I do not believe it's relevant to the MiniTool Alan solution because it's a straight copy. Bit-by-bit.

    I do not know what, if any, backup system you have in place. The Macrium is also the most regularly and highly recommended software for the job. Minitool is not designed to be a backup solution. They both have their purposes, but one cannot do all the other does. I bring this up up only to point out that installing Macrium would not be a one-time solution, it would serve well as your ongoing backup plan.

    This does not need to be over-engineered.

    TC
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