Windows 10 Creator removes Ccleaner - and keeps removing it!

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  1. Posts : 35
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       02 Mar 2018 #1

    Windows 10 Creator removes Ccleaner - and keeps removing it!


    With the latest Win major update (to build 1709), several programs have been peremptorily removed - without warning the user. This "phenomenon" has been documented and commented on all over the Internet.

    Apart from the uncouth manner in which such removals happen (sometimes uselessly and for no reason whatsoever, like the harmless classic Solitaire) and of course the irritating annoyance, one can easily correct things by reinstalling the discarded programs, either by a new clean install or by retrieving them in the folder where MS has stacked them.

    With one exception: the always useful Ccleaner.

    Reinstalling it offers no problem, and once this is done, one can do whatever one wants as before with it. But from the moment one exits Windows and shuts the computer, restarts or boots up the machine, lo and behold! Ccleaner has disappeared again.

    This goes accompanied by a slow reboot (apparently where Windows cleans up the registry and discard once more the program.

    This is an unheard of practice. Questions to Microsoft about why they do this results in an automatic reply saying one doesn't need a program like Ccleaner with the new Windows update. Which is patently untrue, because whatever cleanup procedures Windows executes (unasked for) behind our backs, it certainly does not clean the registry, which slowly gets clogged up, or does not discard junk files properly.

    So, what can we do about this? Simply: how can we find a way to reinstall Ccleaner and keep it on the machine as before? Whatever the reasons for Microsoft's behaviour, I don't like to be treated like a child by a software company.

    Naturally, if Piriform now comes up with a Ccleaner build that can resist the MS shenanigans, we will be out of these woods. But for the moment, this is not the case.

    There are more Windows annoyances like not allowing pdf and graphic files to stick to the programs they are meant for, but who are systematically "glued" to either unwieldy Edge or so-called Paint 3D. But that's again another question no-one seems able to resolve.

    So, let's keep first to that Ccleaner problem and see if someone has come up with a solution meanwhile - while waiting for Piriform to come up with something.


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  2.    02 Mar 2018 #2

    Mm, fortunately never been my experience through several upgrades...

    As for pdf problems, those seem to be primarily related to Adobe users. I don't use Adobe, so don't find Edge usurping the association.
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  3. Posts : 35
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    Thread Starter
       02 Mar 2018 #3

    Well, it is my continuing experience. Couldn't make this up, could I. Moreover, if you consult the Internet, you'll see I am not the only one having to deal with this.

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  4.    02 Mar 2018 #4

    I don't have Ccleaner monitoring on... I noted some suggestion that might trigger removal on the internet. Another aspect is whether Ccleaner is up to date. There's reference (long time back) to out of date versions being removed.

    Do you keep yours up to date?

    I've not noted any posts on this forum mentioning it- but I don't read all posts either.
    Last edited by dalchina; 02 Mar 2018 at 12:56.
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       02 Mar 2018 #5

    What version of CCleaner do you have? How old is it?

    I have only once seen a manual upgrade remove CCleaner, and when it did so it told me it was going to and gave the reason - it was an older version of CCleaner that was not compatible with the latest build.

    I still use a (slightly newer) version of CCleaner. When I upgraded to 1709 Windows was happy to leave it in place.

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  6. Posts : 934
    Windows 10
       02 Mar 2018 #6

    CCleaner was removed on mine on upgrading to Windows 10. It has stayed removed because I was having doubts about recent versions before that happened anyway. It has never been installed again.
    MS is right to uninstall it in my view. It is unnecessary trivia.

    If CCleaner interferes with MS checks on the Registry on Startup then removed, tough. It is CCleaner that should be cleaning up their application.
    There is no 'clogging up' of the Registry, you don't understand even basically how it works and it's purpose.

    I have no problem at all with PDFs defaulted to my chosen application, Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Same applies to various other file types defaulted to applications other than MS recommended ones.

    Solitaire - there are about 20-30 versions in MS Store....

    Solution to non problems, why get stressed, just move on.
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  7.    04 Mar 2018 #7

    Nicely put, Helmut.

    I never really understood the many, various "cleaner" programs.

    Just exactly what is it that needs to be "cleaned"? Is something "dirty"? (No.)

    What terrible things happen to the hundreds of millions of Windows users who don't "clean" things? (Nothing.)

    So why fuss over it all? (No reason at all.)
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       04 Mar 2018 #8

    margrave55 said: View Post
    Just exactly what is it that needs to be "cleaned"? Is something "dirty"?
    I only really use CCleaner to selectively remove browser cookies across all browser at once, whitelisting logon cookies (like TenForums).

    Selective deletion of cookies is possible in some browsers, but impossible to do in Edge.
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  9.    04 Mar 2018 #9

    "Simply: how can we find a way to reinstall Ccleaner and keep it on the machine as before?"

    To retain ccleaner, try to replace *.sdb files as written in post Alternative to Daemon Tools Lite to mount Audio Cue/Bin CD images - Page 2 - Windows 10 Forums - make only steps 1 and 4-7. These files are from version 1511.
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  10.    05 Mar 2018 #10

    Some sort of corruption

    haku said: View Post
    ...see if someone has come up with a solution meanwhile - while waiting for Piriform to come up with something.

    According to the title, Ccleaner seems.corrupt. You should try to remove it with Revo Uninstaller Pro.

    Revo>Forced Uninstall>Program"s exact name>Type ccleaner>Advanced>Next>Decline any uninstall process from Piriform or Ccleaner>Let Revo do the work>Sellect all>Delete Twice. Shut down.

    Search for leftover after in Regedit. For the Pro version of Ccleaner, the keys below were still there.

    You should delete only this AND MAKE SURE you are not deleting a folder or adding more problems. This is a hot place to be.

    Regedit>Edit>Permission>ALL APPLICATION PACKAGES>Ful Control>Apply/OK>Edit>Find>Type ccleaner>Next>Delete>F3>Read carefully>Delete...

    NOTE: In order to be near OP issue, Ccleaner was damaged in the registry before proceeding = not shown in Revo.

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_BROWSER_EMULATION\CCleaner64.exe

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\Tasks\{44C31FDD-935F-4498-9AC3-CEDBF8D7DB9D}

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft'Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\Tree\CCleanerSkipUAC

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE'SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\bam\UserSettings'S-1-5-21-2223370622-3643830520-1932395961-1001\Device\HarddiskVolume4\Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner64.exe


    HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-2223370622-3643830520-1932395961-1001\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT'Curren\Version\AppCompatFlags|Compatibility Assistant\StoreC:\[COLOR="#FF0000"]Program Files\CCleaner\CCleaner64.exe

    Plus Desktop shortcut.

    Reopen Revo and repeat step 1
    Forced Uninstall>Progtam"s exact name>Type Ccleaner>Advanced>Next

    Restart and reinstall Ccleaner from the main website. Latest version is 5.40 (02/13/'18):

    CCleaner Professional - The worlds most trusted PC Cleaner

    Revo Pro Free Trial:
    Download Revo Uninstaller Freeware - Free and Full Download - Uninstall software, remove programs, solve uninstall problems

    The solution to this unusual issue is in your hands, nowhere else.

    Give it a try!
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