And after all that, I finally made it into the BIOS, looked around, and said "Nah, I don't need to change anything", and exited.

Geesh..

Okay, well problem solved...

On a hunch, I guessed that maybe my problem was related to my graphics cards and monitors, and for some reason the POST messages and BIOS screen weren't being...

By the way, as I mentioned in my first post, after I built this thing every time I booted up it would first show the MSI BIOS splash screen before going to Windows. Annoying. But there was a BIOS...

Thanks, essenbee, yeah I tried a version of that, but I could never get the BIOS splash screen to appear. I think it's more about the BIOS splash screen not appearing for some reason than not being...

No, and honestly I have no intention of messing with the CMOS battery. I might update the BIOS as that might give me some overall benefit, but I have no interest in resetting the BIOS by removing the...

Yeah, I think I posted (and added to "My Computer") that its an X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, which was new last year.

As far as updating BIOS, it sounds like that's my next step. Though the Live...

Yeah, I gave it a shot by disconnecting the two monitors and just leaving the DVI, then shutdown and restart while hitting DEL, but still no luck.

I'm starting to feel like I may be creating more...

Interesting...in the initial MSI thread that AndreTen referenced, the guy having the troubles said he couldn't get the BIOS to show up when he had monitors connected to the HDMI or Displayport, but...

Okay the plot is thickening on this one...

I finally decided to do it the right way and did a Shift-Restart, then Advanced under Troubleshooting, then Boot to UEFI, but I ended up with blank/black...

Sorry, it's an X370 Gaming Pro Carbon.

As far as the hibernate, yeah, I think is misspoke. Now Hibernate and Fast Startup are both off.

But when I re-start after a shutdown, and continually...

Okay guys I think I've got it. Maybe somebody already mentioned this and I missed it, but the reason I don't see "fast startup" in my W10 power options is because hibernate mode is off. I entered...

Pretty much nothing, until suddenly the Windows login screen appears. I think it's doing fast boot, and I have an OS disk that's an SSD, so everything is super fast. Which is great during normal use,...

Thanks guys, I really appreciate the help. But I'm a real tough case. I no longer have any MSI CD's since my homebuilt doesn't have a CD player and I figured I could get everything online anyway. So...

Thanks. Yeah I tried f2 and some others, held them down continually sometimes, tapped them as fast as I could other times, used Shift+reset to shut down, stood on one foot and clucked like a...

Well, based on the excellent tutorial I'm sure it WOULD work if someone wasn't such a total wimp and afraid to do recovery stuff and disconnect hard drives because he's certain his computer would...

Well, except that you can boot to BIOS from Windows 10. Using two different methods. So.... :-)

Windows always bites :chuckle:

Just my luck it will reboot and say "Boot disk not found".

Thanks. Yeah, that sounds like the way to go. And I'll do that if I can get over the nervousness about going into the recovery options and clicking on stuff. Especially if I don't really need to get...

Are we sure the option is "/fw"? I looked online and it showed an /f option, but no w anywhere

Thanks. I tried the "shutdown /r /fw" (using Admin command prompt) and it replied:

"The system could not find the environment option that was entered. (203). Oh, and this computer just loves to...

Thanks, yeah I had already seen that MSI forum thread, but they were talking about disconnecting drives and stuff to force it into BIOS, and I don't want to mess with all that.

I guess you mean "powercfg /h off"?

That turns the hibernate off? Though I'm not sure that's an issue. I don't have a hiberfil.sys file under C:\, so I must have already turned it off previously....

I've tried every suggestion I've found on the internet, but no luck...

Windows 10 lastest update. MSI Gaming Pro Carbon board with Ryzen 7 1700, using Ryzen power plan. When I first built this...

By the way, I have an interesting incident that happened the other day that underlines how nice it is to have a backup PC...

I was messing around with making a user able to access files across my...

Really I spend little if any time keeping my backup computer up to date and matching my main system. My important personal folders are copied automatically in the background every day. As far as...