1.    04 Sep 2017 #1
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Padua, Veneto
    Posts : 26
    Windows 10 Home 64bit

    Hi,
    since my laptop was born with Windows 8 Home, upgraded to Windows 8.1 and then to Windows 10, 64 bit version with UEFI, I think that the recovery image is a bit messy.
    Let's see, it's say it's Disabled (sorry, my system language is Italian):

    Code:
    Informazioni di configurazione per Ambiente ripristino Windowse la reimpostazione del sistema:
    
    
        Stato Ambiente ripristino Windows:      Disabled
        Percorso Ambiente ripristino Windows:
        Identificatore dati di configurazione di avvio (BCD): 27aa3bc3-81f7-11e6-bf9d-7c5cf8a5e357
        Percorso immagine di ripristino:        \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition7\RecoveryImage
        Indice immagine di ripristino:          2
        Percorso immagine personalizzata:
        Indice immagine personalizzata:         0
    I realized that there was a problem when I was testing the rescue bootable usb media provided by new Acronis True Image 2018, the linux one version, because when I close it it gave some flash messages, and restarting system was not bootable.
    A blue screen appears, that told me there was a problem in boot configuration, with C:\Windows\System32\winload.efi file, and in the option there was the F8 selection for Windows start rescue option, but pressing F8, the same blue screen appears.
    Thanks to google I fixed it (it occurred twice yesterday, always exiting from Acronis 2018 linux bootable ambient, and for now it seems a problem only of my system....), since I had created previously a usb bootable Windows 10 installation/restore with MediaCreation tool, and then using the diskpart and bcdboot prompt commands to rebuild boot sequence, since the automatic repair boot option of Windows, was not successfully.
    The strange thing is that on the first reboot after fixing, it asks me if I want Win10 or Win8, (Win8 could not be still present, since after every system update I wait a while and when I'm quite sure I don't need a rollback, I use to make an advanced disk clean, that erases the Windows.old folder and its entries).
    So, it's not for now a big problem, since I have the bootable usb Windows 10 and I know how to fix it, but I'd like to understand and know if it's normal, or if there's something wired that I can easly fix.

    Thanks a lot!
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  2.    04 Sep 2017 #2
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Padua, Veneto
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    Windows 10 Home 64bit
    Thread Starter

    just for give more details, this is the partition situation (Nascosto in Italian means hidden, and Avvio is Boot):
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      Volume ###  Let. Etichetta    Fs     Tipo        Dim.     Stato      Info
      ---------   ---  -----------  -----  ----------  -------  ---------  --------
      Volume 0     C   OS           NTFS   Partizione   214 Gb  Integro    Avvio
      Volume 1     D   Data         NTFS   Partizione   229 Gb  Integro
      Volume 2         SYSTEM       FAT32  Partizione   298 Mb  Integro    Sistema
      Volume 3         Recovery     NTFS   Partizione   898 Mb  Integro    Nascosto
      Volume 4                      NTFS   Partizione   464 Mb  Integro    Nascosto
      Volume 5         Restore      NTFS   Partizione    20 Gb  Integro    Nascosto
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  3.    04 Sep 2017 #3
    Join Date : Jul 2016
    Crewe Cheshire
    Posts : 1,460
    windows 10

    When an o/s is installe dit often overwrites the code to implment the recovery the recovery will be so old and the wrong o/s so its better to remove it as you can get a win10 boot disk from a download if you need to restore the pc
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  4.    04 Sep 2017 #4
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Run msconfig
    Look on the boot tab
    Does it show the two boot menu entries?
    If it does, delete the incorrect entry.
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  5.    05 Sep 2017 #5
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    Padua, Veneto
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    Windows 10 Home 64bit
    Thread Starter

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    Run msconfig
    Look on the boot tab
    Does it show the two boot menu entries?
    If it does, delete the incorrect entry.
    yes, after the fix it shows the two entries and I delete the old Win8 one.
    My question is to understand why it appears after the boot fix....
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  6.    05 Sep 2017 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuria View Post
    When an o/s is installe dit often overwrites the code to implment the recovery the recovery will be so old and the wrong o/s so its better to remove it as you can get a win10 boot disk from a download if you need to restore the pc
    yes,I get the usb boot rescue Win10 to fix it.
    Do you suggest to delete some partitions?
    I wanted to do it, but not sure how to safely do it, since on diskpartr and disk managment I see few partitions (the 6 ones listed above in the 1st post), but with advanced partition manager softwarems, I can see a lot of tiny partitions and among them different situations, maybe because I have a SSD and I've aligned them with MiniTool, let's see:
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  7.    05 Sep 2017 #7
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    Windows 10 Pro

    I would delete every partition except for the System (EFI System) Partition, the C:OS partition, and the Data partition. Then you can expand the C:OS partition and Data partitions however you desire to fill the empty space - use MiniTool Partition Wizard to do it, I have never had it fail.

    There will be some people that say you need the 128 MB "Other" partition which is a Microsoft Reserved Partition. Unless you have Windows 10 Pro and going to use bitlocker, you don't need it. But if you feel more comfortable having it, after you delete all the partitions (including the 128 MB other partition) but before you move C:OS to the left, you can recreate it with a diskpart command. But I wouldn't bother with it. The commands to recreate it are:
    diskpart
    create part msr size=128
    exit
    exit

    That would create the MSR right next to the EFI System Partition so then you could still expand C:OS to the left to fill the empty space.
    Last edited by NavyLCDR; 05 Sep 2017 at 10:28.
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  8.    05 Sep 2017 #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    There will be some people that say you need the 128 MB "Other" partition which is a Microsoft Reserved Partition. Unless you have Windows 10 Pro and going to use bitlocker, you don't need it.
    It isn't required for bitlocker - I use bitlocker without. Bitlocker uses the system partition (so requires a separate System partition on BIOS or uses the ESP on EFI)

    According to MS the MSR is for the following (I can't understand what the bold bit in the quote means at all actually)
    The Microsoft Reserved Partition (MSR) reserves space on each disk drive for subsequent use by operating system software. GPT disks do not allow hidden sectors. Software components that formerly used hidden sectors now allocate portions of the MSR for component-specific partitions. For example, converting a basic disk to a dynamic disk causes the MSR on that disk to be reduced in size and a newly created partition holds the dynamic disk database.
    Windows and GPT FAQ - Windows 10 hardware dev

    Since Windows 10 the size required has reduced from 128MB to 16MB MSR
    Beginning in Windows 10, the size of the MSR is 16 MB.
    Add an MSR to each GPT drive to help with partition management. The MSR is a reserved partition that does not receive a partition ID. It cannot store user data.
    Understanding Disk Partitions

    What (if anything) it is for remains a mystery though - certainly to me - perhaps something, but apparently 112MB less than before

    Sometimes I create it, sometimes not - it hasn't made any difference yet. Certainly changing partition layout works fine in either case.

    If it is made it should be before C and after ESP so the creation instructions are OK anyway.
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  9.    05 Sep 2017 #9
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    In other words, nobody has a real clue as to what the MSR is for. I have never had a computer that failed without it, but there are a few members that swear it is required for UEFI and GPT partitioning.
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  10.    05 Sep 2017 #10
    Join Date : Oct 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro X64

    Hi,

    Since Windows 10 the size required has reduced from 128MB to 16MB MSR
    I've had plenty of EFI installs on GPT disks. They all had this 128MB MSR partition, and sometimes a 16MB one as well.
    None of these drive have seen anything other than Windows 10.

    Mysterious indeed....

    Cheers,
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