1.    12 Jul 2017 #1
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 67
    Win 10

    Really Slow Response Since Updating


    My system has been a flyer from the very first install of Windows 10 Pro when it originally came out (the free year).

    It would update automatically (very annoying notices...usually when I'm in the middle of something). Due to being annoying and I wanting to control it, I had it disabled a couple months ago.

    So yesterday, I decided to check for updates and of course there were a few. So I updated. It then announced something about Creators Update or something like that and ever since my computer runs like a DOG!

    I've scoured the web for suggestions on tweaking my startup apps, deleting temp files, running Malwarebytes and Adwcleaner, CCleaner, etc.

    I'm looking at my Processes and CPU usage numbers and they appear to be fine. I'd click on say Firefox to start it up, can see it show up in Task Manager (Apps), the CPU not stressed more than 15% with other apps open as well, but the program itself does not show up on the desktop until 30 seconds or so goes by!

    And this is with every program pretty much.

    It is so slow starting up programs, that I'd start to think that maybe I didn't double-click it fast enough and do it again, only to end up with multiple instances of the app starting due to my multiple clicks.

    And it seems I get that spinning blue circle where my cursor arrow would be all the time now, telling me to wait, wait, wait.


    System:
    Z77 Professional-M MB
    Intel Core i3-3220 3.3ghz
    NVIDIA GeForce GT640 (2 cards for 3 monitors)
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
    8g memory
    Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500gb (boot drive)
    Crucial 250gb SSD (CT250BX100SSD1)
    Western Digital WD Blue HD 1tb (WDC WD10EZEX-60ZF5A0)

    Antivirus (Microsoft Defender)

    Anybody else experiencing this after that Creator update?

    Help wb appreciated.
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  2.    12 Jul 2017 #2
    Join Date : Apr 2017
    Posts : 8,634
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit

    Open administrative command prompt and type or copy and paste:


    1) winver (in the pop up about windows > view your windows version and build > type this information into the thread)


    2) sfc /scannow


    3) dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth


    4) chkdsk /scan


    When these have completed > right click on the top bar or title bar of the administrative command prompt box > left click on edit then select all > right click on the top bar again > left click on copy > paste into the thread


    5) msconfig (in the pop up system configuration > move the dot from normal startup to selective startup > uncheck load startup items > click service tab > in left lower corner check hide all Microsoft services > in the lower right side click disable all > click apply or ok > do not reboot)


    6) taskmgr (in the pop up task manager > click on the start up tab > click on status so that the column sorts with enable rising to the top > right click on each row with enable and change to disable)

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...oot-in-windows
    How to perform a Clean Boot in Windows 10 - TechNet Articles - United States (English) - TechNet Wiki



    7) shutdown /r (you will reboot the computer so that it is in clean boot)


    Evaluate the performance on your computer in clean boot during typical use. Are the boots faster or slower? Are the shutdowns faster or slower? How is video and audio performance? How is the overall performance? Continue using clean boot indefinitely to monitor performance.


    Windows 10 Performance and Install Integrity Checklist - Microsoft Community
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  3.    12 Jul 2017 #3
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 67
    Win 10
    Thread Starter

    Thanks zbook for responding.

    Following is all the stuff I copied to be pasted into this thread as asked.

    Note: Before the last update I had "Command Prompt" and "Command Prompt (Administrator)" when I right-clicked the start icon. Now I have "Windows PowerShell" in its place. Is this a phase-out?

    Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.483)sfc /scannow didn't find any errors.Windows PowerShellCopyright (C) 2016 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealthDeployment Image Servicing and Management toolVersion: 10.0.15063.0Image Version: 10.0.15063.0[==========================100.0%==========================] The restore operation completed successfully.The operation completed successfully.PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> chkdsk /scanThe type of the file system is NTFS.Volume label is Main.Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ... 609024 file records processed.File verification completed. 11784 large file records processed. 0 bad file records processed.Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ... 699610 index entries processed.Index verification completed. 0 unindexed files scanned. 0 unindexed files recovered to lost and found.Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...Security descriptor verification completed. 45294 data files processed.CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal... 33738624 USN bytes processed.Usn Journal verification completed.Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.No further action is required. 487820287 KB total disk space. 73086228 KB in 317349 files. 179760 KB in 45295 indexes. 0 KB in bad sectors. 738479 KB in use by the system. 65536 KB occupied by the log file. 413815820 KB available on disk. 4096 bytes in each allocation unit. 121955071 total allocation units on disk. 103453955 allocation units available on disk.

    Note: The last time I changed msconfig to do selective startup some months ago, my system would not boot up. It was a bear for me to get it working again. I fear it might be the disabling of the Samsung Magician that came with my SSD boot drive. So for safety reasons, I left that one enabled. Just not up to speed on how windows 'sees' the SSD drive as opposed to a regular HD. I'm old school and not up to snuff on the latest tech.


    PERFORMANCE REPORT:

    The system appears to be very responsive now, with the exception of the Mozilla Thunderbird email app. So within it I disabled all the Add-ons and when it started to be more responsive also, enabled one-by-one and found the culprit there. That add-on did not like the Windows Update one bit! It worked just fine up until the update. FYI, it is the Cloudmark DesktopOne spam trap add-on for Thunderbird. I'll worry about that later. However, even with the addons all disabled, the program has a long delay before starting, giving the impression isn't going to.

    While most programs appear to be snappier on startup and use, some aren't working right. One app for example can no longer access the server, and I've made sure to go into firewall to give access. Guess I'm going to try reinstalls and see what happens.

    Anyway, your suggestions has me in a better place. I'll continue to monitor performance as suggested.

    Thanks!
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  4.    12 Jul 2017 #4
    Join Date : Apr 2017
    Posts : 8,634
    windows 10 professional version 1607 build 14393.969 64 bit

    That was some progress in identifying the misbehaving applications.
    For the power shell versus command prompt the default setting is now power shell but that is easily changed in the preference menu.

    Settings > taskbar > there is a sliding option to choose whether to replace one with the other in the menu when you right click on the start button or press win + x keys
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  5.    13 Jul 2017 #5
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 67
    Win 10
    Thread Starter

    Quote Originally Posted by zbook View Post
    That was some progress in identifying the misbehaving applications.
    For the power shell versus command prompt the default setting is now power shell but that is easily changed in the preference menu.

    Settings > taskbar > there is a sliding option to choose whether to replace one with the other in the menu when you right click on the start button or press win + x keys
    Yes, the system appears to be zipping along again just like the good ol' days. Thanks for reminding me of the default troubleshooting approach of starting up minimal and then isolate down. My brain ain't what it used to be. :-b

    Thanks for pointing out the slider for command prompt. Guess the update took liberties to make changes to my previous settings as I didn't choose Powershell. I might just leave powershell there.
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  6.    14 Jul 2017 #6
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    UK
    Posts : 2,078
    Windows 10 Home x64 (Laptop), Windows 10 Pro x64 (Desktop)

    Autoruns is very useful for reviewing and disabling programs / tasks / services you don't need at start up - see https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/.../bb963902.aspx
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  7.    14 Jul 2017 #7
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 67
    Win 10
    Thread Starter

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve C View Post
    Autoruns is very useful for reviewing and disabling programs / tasks / services you don't need at start up - see https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/.../bb963902.aspx
    Thanks!
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