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  1.    04 Feb 2017 #1
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 109
    Win 7, Win-10

    Latest on SSD settings on Win-10


    Hello,

    Went through several posts and some external links on what to do for SSD drives under Windows-10 and it seems so confusing.

    What is the latest thought on this matter?

    Which services etc (if at all that is the case) need to be disabled?
    Optimize - Should I enable this or disable? I normally do not use System Restore and that makes some difference on whether this works automatically every month.

    Some think that Optimize does do a normal defrag every month (or at least that is what I got but could be mistaken as I was getting a bad headache going over this stuff ).

    Have a unit with just one PCIe NVME and will be adding a spinner soon.

    So, should I wait to add the spinner before running - winsat formal - to allow windows to set itself up properly?

    Thanks for your assistance.
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  2.    05 Feb 2017 #2
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 9,344
    Windows 10 Pro

    I didn't do anything. I just installed Windows 10 and let it go.
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  3.    05 Feb 2017 #3
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    NW Florida
    Posts : 9,445
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint

    As @NavyLCDR said, just install Windows and everything will work just fine. Most of the Optimization info you read are for the early generations of SSDs and operating systems. They were needed then. The newer SSDs and Windows 10 don't need much, if anything. Optimization is good for the SSD in Windows 10. The OS recognizes it and knows what to do.
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  4.    05 Feb 2017 #4

    Windows 10 handles SSDs pretty well, so as above, just install and go.
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  5.    05 Feb 2017 #5
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 109
    Win 7, Win-10
    Thread Starter

    Things really have changed then.

    But the following thread (just over 6 months back), talks about winsat formal etc
    Fast Start/Fast Boot/Hibernation Settings for OEM Win10/64 Pro SSD?

    So no disable index, prefetch/superfetch etc?

    Based on Scott's blog, it seems that one needs to enable System Restore on a unit for windows to Defrag SSD. It seems that windows does defrag SSD once a month but only when system restore is enabled.

    So, am still conflicted about letting windows handle all settings on its own. It has been proven in the past not to be completely reliable and trustworthy (both MS and Windows) and hence all the articles that exist about optimizing the OS.

    Thanks,
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  6.    05 Feb 2017 #6
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 109
    Win 7, Win-10
    Thread Starter

    A request to all who have Windows default set up for SSD.

    Per another website, Could you please post your findings on:
    Filter the application log event 258 from defrag

    OR

    or execute PowerShell command:"Get-EventLog -LogName Application -Source "microsoft-windows-defrag" | sort timegenerated -desc | fl timegenerated, message"

    This will most likely provide details on whether windows has been defragging your SSD on the sly or if it was just optimizing with Trim.

    My windows install is just too new to get any information on the above. Needs a unit that has had windows-10 running for at least a month.

    Thanks for your assistance.
      My ComputerSystem Spec
  7.    05 Feb 2017 #7
    Join Date : Feb 2016
    Phoenix, AZ
    Posts : 243
    Windows 10 Pro 1709 16299.19

    My SSD has been installed since last August. Here is what is returned using your script:

    Get-EventLog : No matches found
    At line:1 char:1
    + Get-EventLog -LogName Application -Source "microsoft-windows-defrag" ...
    + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo : ObjectNotFound: ( [Get-EventLog], ArgumentException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : GetEventLogNoEntriesFound,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetEventLogCommand


    However I have Optimization turned "off" for the C: drive and use "Samsung Magician" to provide Trim operations for the SSD.
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  8.    05 Feb 2017 #8
    Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 109
    Win 7, Win-10
    Thread Starter

    Quote Originally Posted by storageman View Post
    My SSD has been installed since last August. Here is what is returned using your script:
    Get-EventLog : No matches found
    At line:1 char:1
    + Get-EventLog -LogName Application -Source "microsoft-windows-defrag" ...
    + ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    + CategoryInfo : ObjectNotFound: ( [Get-EventLog], ArgumentException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : GetEventLogNoEntriesFound,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetEventLogCommand


    However I have Optimization turned "off" for the C: drive and use "Samsung Magician" to provide Trim operations for the SSD.
    Thank you for the above.

    But since you've disabled Optimize for C drive which i assume is your SSD, then you're not really using Default Windows settings.
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  9.    05 Feb 2017 #9
    Join Date : Jan 2017
    Turku
    Posts : 1,774
    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    For me my C-drive (SSD) can't be defragmented/optimized on latest build by default. So no, Windows does not defrag SSDs, by default.
      My ComputersSystem Spec
  10.    05 Feb 2017 #10
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 9,344
    Windows 10 Pro

    You do know that SSDs are not required to be defragged and it only shortens their life? SSDs are not affected by fragmentation AT ALL. Fragmentation is an issue with HDDs because of making the read/write head having to seek and move to different locations on the disk to put the file together. SSDs don't have read/write heads and no moving parts.

    Defragging an SSD is not only unnecessary, but it is WRONG! SSDs have a limited number of write cycles for each storage location and defragging only causes unnecessary write cycles and also increases the number of trim cycles required to clean up the bits of files moved from storage locations. Defragging an SSD, therefore decreases an SSDs performance and shortens its life.
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