Latest on SSD settings on Win-10

pparks1 said:

I have read Scott's, at least I've read this one.
The real and complete story - Does Windows defragment your SSD? - Scott Hanselman

Seemed his conclusion was basically the same opinion I had. It defrags, and for a reason and it's related to performance. It's not enough to worry about.

I have not read vadim's research.

I think vadim's article raises some good points that might make you worried.

slicendice said:

The real issue here is that MS has not officially released a KB article on why SSD defrag is a feature, why it is needed and how it is implemented. If the SSD defrag is there (as we know it is) there must exist a good explanation for why and how this feature is different from HDD defrag........

Same struggle Vadim seems to be having with MS (and Scott) for the past couple of years at least on this issue.

nkaufman said:

I think vadim's article raises some good points that might make you worried.

I assume that this post represents the information from Vadim that you think would concern me.
Why Windows 10, 8.1 and 8 defragment your SSD and how you can avoid this – Вадим Стеркин

After having read it, like he states "The bottom line is that defrag won’t kill your SSD, but it’s not needed". He goes on to discuss only the side of the argument about how SSD's should not be defragmented, but he never discusses any information regarding why Microsoft believes it's a necessary evil when System Recovery is enabled. He's pretty adament that he has found a bug, but MS isn't responding that this is actually a problem.

So, no...I'm not bothered whatsoever by this information. I personally own SSD's that have lasted over 7 years running Windows 7 without any problems. And as I expected, I am moving away from that SSD because of capacity issues, it's only 80GB which is simply not big enough anymore. With 240GB drives available for around $60, it was a no brainer to upgrade.

I agree with @pparks1. Also in regards to the recovery partition, there won't be anything to defrag in it because i should never get written to, so when the logs say the recovery partition was defragged, I believe that is only Windows checking it and the their is no actual writing of files taking place. It looks at it, yep still there, nothing has moved, defrag complete.

This intrigued me to also check out my laptop that only has an SSD and I just clean installed Windows 10 Pro on it last week after I got it.

Code:

TimeGenerated : 03-Feb-17 16:50:26Message       : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on (C:)
TimeGenerated : 03-Feb-17 16:50:26Message       : The storage optimizer successfully completed defragmentation on Recovery

It seems as if Windows did try to actually defrag my whole SSD on my laptop the day after I installed it. The C:\ and Recovery partitions are both on a 180GB Intel SSD and that's the only installed drive.

Hi,

pparks1 said:

I assume that this post represents the information from Vadim that you think would concern me.
Why Windows 10, 8.1 and 8 defragment your SSD and how you can avoid this – Вадим Стеркин

After having read it, like he states "The bottom line is that defrag won’t kill your SSD, but it’s not needed". He goes on to discuss only the side of the argument about how SSD's should not be defragmented, but he never discusses any information regarding why Microsoft believes it's a necessary evil when System Recovery is enabled. He's pretty adament that he has found a bug, but MS isn't responding that this is actually a problem.

So, no...I'm not bothered whatsoever by this information. I personally own SSD's that have lasted over 7 years running Windows 7 without any problems. And as I expected, I am moving away from that SSD because of capacity issues, it's only 80GB which is simply not big enough anymore. With 240GB drives available for around $60, it was a no brainer to upgrade.

Does it really defragment SSDs ?
I do not think so for if you run a fragmentation analysis it invariably shows a percentage of fragmentation.

EDIT: I must add that in my case "System Restore" is never ON.

Oh, and while we're at it, why does W10 defragments UASP connected SSDs as if they were HDDs ??

Cheers,

Hi,

The Recovery partition has no drive letter. Windows cannot automatically defrag it or trim it. And a user cannot with defrag.exe or any 3rd party.

Sure, but what about the other partitions on an SSD ?
And I mean really defragmenting it not just running a retrim command such as "Optimize" does.


Cheers,