Search indexing is taking a remarkably long time.

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  1. Posts : 6
    Windows 10 x64
       #11

    Hey pgeee

    Thanks for this update. I had given up... I just checked my indexing status and was astounded to see "Indexing complete", and the indexing process is not eating up CPU cycles all day. I'd love to see some documentation from Microsoft to say that they addressed this issue. I am tempted to start the indexing process over from scratch to see if it is really reliable... but at this point I'm going to check to see if it is truly "complete" and not missing newer emails, etc. The kind of things that Windows Search couldn't find previously, because of this problem. Glad I had notifications turned on for this thread!
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  2. Posts : 6
    Windows 10 x64
       #12

    After further examination, the problem hasn't gone away. The indexer has gone back to indexing all the time, and I don't really see any progress in the number of items indexed. Even during the short period when "indexing complete", I don't believe it was complete... for example, many "new" emails within the last few days did not appear in the search results.

    I am tempted to start over from scratch to see what happens, but really don't want to go through it again...
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  3. Posts : 42,992
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #13

    Do you still see the ifilter issue you mentioned earlier?

    Would suggest - if disk and file system are ok- a process of elimination - e.g. by file type. Try to find a scenario where a change -> indexing complete.

    If you have content indexing on for anything, and any problems or lots of such files, that would slow it down.
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  4. Posts : 6
    Windows 10 x64
       #14

    Yes, Event ID 10023 still occurring every 8 minutes. Most of my search activity is in large, archived pst files which represent 6 month histories of my Outlook e-mails. These pst files are typically 1-1.5GB ea, and go back about 15 years (!) or so. As I mentioned, Windows Search always indexed these files without issue, up until a Windows update earlier this year. I could remove the Outlook files from the search parameters, but that would defeat my purposes and I'd have to re-index...
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  5. Posts : 42,992
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #15

    The only online info I have found is that this Event is related to pdf Ifilter, which is not active on my system.
    - just to clarify- I think you mean you found info about this, but that you either do not have an ifilter set for pdf's or pdf's are not having content indexed. Is that correct?

    Have you checked the integrity of these archived files- e.g. run chkdsk X: /scan where X is the relevant drive letter?

    Can you, for test purposes, put a copy of one archive file in separate folder, not index the other folders containing pst files, and see if indexing completes normally?

    Is the outcome different if you don't index the content?

    What is the relevant ifilter?

    I've seen reference to this- does it mean anything to you? (I've never used Outlook)
    OST/ PST Corruption

    Corruption could be a possible reason behind the malfunctioning of the instant Search not showing recent emails feature. Analyze the file and repair it using the ScanPST.exe tool. This is the popular ‘Inbox Repair Tool’ integrated with all the versions of MS Outlook email client. In File Explorer window, open ‘This PC’ and then type ‘ScanPST.exe’ in the Search box. Running this tool will repair any existing damaged or corrupted OST as well as PST on the system.
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  6. Posts : 6
    10
       #16

    Indxing stuck problem came back


    so a few responses back I was ecstatic because I had a windows update via the regular channel, and my indexing actually ended up complete not long after. BUT, due to a corporate policy I recently had to totally refresh the pc with a new WIndows 10 installation. And guess what, the problem is back. Indexing stuck, event 10023 every 8 minutes on the Gatherer. Am going to try installing the PDF ifilter but I did that last time to no avail. crossed fingers. Either way there's enough evidence and corroboration in this trail to show that Microsoft are selling software for which a key function (search) does not work for some users.
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  7. Posts : 42,992
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #17

    It's a bit of a leap to that conclusion.

    If you're doing any content indexing, you could well be dependent on ifilters supplied by a third party.

    If there's corruption on your disk- a single corrupt file- this has been known to cause problems (sure, you could then argue 'well, MS should cope with that and create an appropriate report').

    Bottom line, I think, is a process of elimination - note what you're indexing now, and progressively remove things from Indexing Options until you find something that is related to your problem.
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  8. Posts : 6
    10
       #18

    thanks dalchina, it's all sound advice, I did perform massive elimination the last time this happened, thinning the file types down to hardly anything. I repaired all my outlook files etc. But a proper root cause isolation method would be to know the what file is causing the 10023 error. If only one could get a report out of the 10023 that said what file the indexer was playing with when it got stuck. I don't believe there is. seems silly we have very generic warnings, errors, events etc and no debug method to drill down to what caused them. Anyway, i will try the latest pdf ifilter first. if that is no good i'll just have to live with doing searches in google gmail web client and such cumbersome alternative. will report back on how I go
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  9. Posts : 42,992
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #19

    Agreed, precise reports would be great- sadly MS consistently fails badly on that count.

    You can as you know try disabling content indexing or particular ifilters, for example.
    That plus identifying the location.
    Bear in mind there could be more than one.

    What is interesting about Windows search is the detailed syntax (some undocumented) that allows surprisingly detailed specification. Requires some familiarity though, but goes beyond what's possible using the ribbon features. (See tutorial for interest).

    All the following -. find-as-you-type results for indexed locations:
    As for alternative free search utilities:
    Everything by void tools - popular, but uses more resources than
    Ultrasearch
    Locate32

    These find by indexed file name only, with search limited to subsequent search in found files.

    Google desktop search - obsolete- still works- includes content search.

    Not free- fullblown indexed search:
    Copernic
    X1
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  10. Posts : 6
    10
       #20

    working again


    So I tried a few experiments with the infamous event 10023. They were numerous and laborious. I did discover a few things however
    a) the event 10023 is definitely what holds up indexing completing as I was able to correlate repeatedly slow indexing where the event occured. I suspect that whatever trips the event, then causes windows search to wait up to 8 minutes before a retry
    b) By starting with small folders I did see that eventually they would complete indexing. it's as if the event is a hurdle for windows search but not a brick wall.
    c) I was able to index folders which on previous attempts seemed stuck with repeated event 10023s , memory issue?
    d) I proved that I could index pdfs, ( i have the ifilter), msg files, and all the other extensions I regularly use, by indexing one folder with a few examples of such files therein
    e) I eventually removed all file types from widows search except the absolute bare minimum. That's a lot of clicks
    f) did a memory check
    g) i started indexing folders one by one without outlook being indexed. this is when it got weird, the events had stopped. Was it the memory check, was it because I was drip feeding folders into search, no idea, but here's the sequence of events which most recently were enacted which I think made a difference
    1. absolute minimum file extensions
    2. remove all folders from windows search except desktop
    3. memory check at reboot
    4. add high level folders one by one which you want in your index, let them index , then add the next one when indexing complete message received
    5 add outlook last (scanpst all outlook files first and repair)

    i'm not going to touch it again now, given it's proved fragile. But I will say this. For me I don't think it's anything to do with particular file types, or the content of files. It's some other variable, windows, memory, not sure.

    Hope this helps any poor souls suffering the same malady
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