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       #801

    No it's 775 socket!
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  2. Posts : 3,511
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #802

    Check if PAE/NX is enabled in BIOS. Some old BIOS cannot boot the Windows 8/10 DVD. Try installing Windows 7 first and then upgrade to 10.
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       #803

    spapakons said:
    Check if PAE/NX is enabled in BIOS. Some old BIOS cannot boot the Windows 8/10 DVD. Try installing Windows 7 first and then upgrade to 10.
    yes maybe it works, but i boot from usb pen. anyway, i stop the installation and go ahed. too many difficult for my spare time.
    I installed on a AMD athlon 64, and no few difficult also there but ok, so also if is it possible install on P4 I think that P4 isn't a good plan for windows 10 :)
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  4. Posts : 3,511
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #804

    If you can install it on a Pentium 4, you will use Vista 32-bit or newer drivers and you should expect similar or better performance than Windows 7 32-bit. Worth to try.
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  5. Posts : 2,189
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #805

    spapakons said:
    If you can install it on a Pentium 4, you will use Vista 32-bit or newer drivers and you should expect similar or better performance than Windows 7 32-bit. Worth to try.
    Since Windows Vista came out on January 30, 2007 is that a dividing line on what computers can be made to run Windows 10? In other words unless a computer built before 2007 has Vista or newer drivers then the probability of it running Windows 10 is not very good.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #806

    To be able to install Windows 8/10 32-bit, you need a CPU 1GHz with NX/PAE enabled and at least 1GB RAM. To upgrade from Windows 7 you need at least 2GB RAM. This means any socket 775 CPU or newer or AMD equivalent. Windows 8 and 10 cannot use Windows XP graphics drivers (XPDM) and if there is no Vista 32-bit driver or newer (WDDM) you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter (MBDA) which has no hardware acceleration. This means even slower performance than running Windows 7 32-bit with the XP graphics driver. So install Windows 8/10 32-bit only if you have WDDM graphics drivers, otherwise stick with Windows 7 32-bit or upgrade your VGA, if possible.
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    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #807

    Rugge89lau said:
    No it's 775 socket!
    what kind of Socket LGA775 motherboard or computer do you have, Rugge89lau?
    Run either the HWInfo or Speccy tool to gather specs of your PC or motherboard


    ex. I have an old Intel D101GGC board (which is socket 775 based) that can handle Intel Celeron Ds, Pentium 4s & Pentium Ds (the "old" dual core Pentiums before Intel Core 2 Duos came out) {specs of D101GGC board also posted on cnet.com}
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  8. Posts : 2,189
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #808

    spapakons said:
    To be able to install Windows 8/10 32-bit, you need a CPU 1GHz with NX/PAE enabled and at least 1GB RAM. To upgrade from Windows 7 you need at least 2GB RAM. This means any socket 775 CPU or newer or AMD equivalent. Windows 8 and 10 cannot use Windows XP graphics drivers (XPDM) and if there is no Vista 32-bit driver or newer (WDDM) you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter (MBDA) which has no hardware acceleration. This means even slower performance than running Windows 7 32-bit with the XP graphics driver. So install Windows 8/10 32-bit only if you have WDDM graphics drivers, otherwise stick with Windows 7 32-bit or upgrade your VGA, if possible.
    What is the AMD equivalent to socket 775?

    I have an old laptop that I bought in 2004. It's specs are:

    HP Pavilion ZV5380US
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+
    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 4 440 Go (64MB)
    RAM: 2GB (2x1GB) PC2700 DDR
    CPU AMD Socket 754
    Chipset NVIDIA nForce3 150/nForce3 MCP
    Network:
    Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter (Wi-Fi)
    Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC

    It came with Windows XP Home but I upgraded it to Windows 7 Home.
    For Windows 7 all the hardware seems to work. I used the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP.

    I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 but that failed. However, I did manage to do a clean install of Windows 10.
    I tried to use the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP but that would not work. There are no Vista drivers.
    Even though I could boot to Windows 10 there was only basic hardware working. Neither the network NIC or Wi-Fi had drivers. There was also a few other hardware components that did not have drivers.

    What I am trying to say is that I know that this hardware will not work with Windows 10. Does anyone know what the cutoff point is for AMD with regards to support with Windows 10? Or is it more complicated involving other hardware also?
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       #809

    MisterEd said:
    What is the AMD equivalent to socket 775?

    I have an old laptop that I bought in 2004. It's specs are:

    HP Pavilion ZV5380US
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+
    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 4 440 Go (64MB)
    RAM: 2GB (2x1GB) PC2700 DDR
    CPU AMD Socket 754
    Chipset NVIDIA nForce3 150/nForce3 MCP
    Network:
    Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter (Wi-Fi)
    Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC

    It came with Windows XP Home but I upgraded it to Windows 7 Home.
    For Windows 7 all the hardware seems to work. I used the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP.

    I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 but that failed. However, I did manage to do a clean install of Windows 10.
    I tried to use the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP but that would not work. There are no Vista drivers.
    Even though I could boot to Windows 10 there was only basic hardware working. Neither the network NIC or Wi-Fi had drivers. There was also a few other hardware components that did not have drivers.

    What I am trying to say is that I know that this hardware will not work with Windows 10. Does anyone know what the cutoff point is for AMD with regards to support with Windows 10? Or is it more complicated involving other hardware also?
    Socket LGA 478 and AM2/2+ with Athlon and Phenom processors are from about same era.
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  10. Posts : 3,511
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #810

    MisterEd said:
    What is the AMD equivalent to socket 775?

    I have an old laptop that I bought in 2004. It's specs are:

    HP Pavilion ZV5380US
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor 3400+
    GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 4 440 Go (64MB)
    RAM: 2GB (2x1GB) PC2700 DDR
    CPU AMD Socket 754
    Chipset NVIDIA nForce3 150/nForce3 MCP
    Network:
    Broadcom 802.11g Network Adapter (Wi-Fi)
    Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC

    It came with Windows XP Home but I upgraded it to Windows 7 Home.
    For Windows 7 all the hardware seems to work. I used the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP.

    I tried to upgrade to Windows 10 but that failed. However, I did manage to do a clean install of Windows 10.
    I tried to use the NVIDIA graphics driver for Windows XP but that would not work. There are no Vista drivers.
    Even though I could boot to Windows 10 there was only basic hardware working. Neither the network NIC or Wi-Fi had drivers. There was also a few other hardware components that did not have drivers.

    What I am trying to say is that I know that this hardware will not work with Windows 10. Does anyone know what the cutoff point is for AMD with regards to support with Windows 10? Or is it more complicated involving other hardware also?
    AMD 64 can handle Windows 8/10 32-bit but not Windows 8/10 64-bit because it misses the required instructions. There is no WDDM graphics driver for GeForce 4 or earlier, so unless you can upgrade your VGA, you better stick with Windows 7 32-bit and use the XP graphics driver. Realtek AC'97 official XP, Vista or newer driver causes BSOD in Windows 10. The solution was to install a specific modified Windows XP driver (see relevant thread). Fortunately, latest Windows 10 drivers from Windows Update work without any issue. For LAN or Wi-Fi use XP or newer drivers. Google the device IDs.

    Short answer: Unless you can upgrade your graphics card, I recommend to stick with Windows 7 32-bit and use the XP graphics driver.

    I would prefer to download and install manually any missing driver (use Aida64 or similar utility to identify the hardware). The easy way is to use Snappy Driver Installer to automatically find and install any missing driver. Avoid updating existing drivers (blue color), only install missing drivers (green color). In some systems replacing the chipset drivers can give you a BSOD.
    Last edited by spapakons; 04 Feb 2021 at 02:08.
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