Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware

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    Windows 10 Home x64
       #391

    Good idea. I have a similar Aspire One (but with 1GB RAM). Windows 10 v1903 works but pretty slow (obviously).
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  2. Posts : 3,513
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #392

    thomaseg1 said:
    very slow 7 hr upgrade...bit more responsive still slow ...we'll see after I uncompress the os.
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    Well done! I had the same model but unfortunately I sold it to a friend since I needed the money back then. Good to know that it is capable of running Windows 10. To maximize the performance you can increase the RAM to 2GB and replace the standard hard disk with an SSD (I think it is a standard SATA 2.5", if I remember correctly). I would also go to System Properties, Performance tab and select Best performance (all boxes cleared). Then I would tick a few boxes to retain a modern look but with as fast as possible user interface. Use that little fellow with a TV or projector to watch almost anything! A Windows PC (or laptop) no matter how slow is a far better choice than an Android TV box, unless you plan to watch 4K!

    PS: I remember in Windows 8 I had to do a hack to support the native resolution of 1024x600. Does the Windows 10 driver support that now?
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    Windows 10 Pro (x64) 21H2 19044.1526
       #393

    spapakons said:
    PS: I remember in Windows 8 I had to do a hack to support the native resolution of 1024x600. Does the Windows 10 driver support that now?
    apparently so, I just checked, that's the recommended resolution.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #394

    thomaseg1 said:
    apparently so, I just checked, that's the recommended resolution.
    I just remembered... Windows 8.0 (the first version, not 8.1) did not allow use the metro interface (tiles) unless you had at least 1024x768 resolution. The netbook only had 1024x600 resolution, so it went directly to the desktop. This is not necessarily bad as I prefer working in "traditional" desktop rather than using the metro interface (tiles), but I wanted to force the metro interface, just to see how it looks like. I found a registry hack that enabled 1024x768 resolution (which in fact was scaled vertically to 1024x600 native resolution). This made the desktop a bit softened (not very sharp) but I could then see the metro interface. Of course Windows 10 does not require anything like that, so you can either use it in Desktop mode or metro interface at any resolution from minimum 800x600 (I guess, although some GPUs allow custom resolutions such as 640x480, 720x480, 720x576 etc).
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #395

    What is the performance like using Windows 10 on a very old hardware?

    I have a very old DELL Inspiron with Pentium 4 Processor and 512 MB RAM with Windows XP, Radeon 7500 from 2004. That doesn't pass the recommended requirements.

    But I am curious to know how does an old PC with low RAM able to run properly under Windows 10, especially with Win 10 being a such a RAM monster compared to Windows XP and 8.1. I mean my PC with 8GB RAM, FX 8370, I have doubts whether Windows 10 is suitable for my PC. I feel I need 16 GB RAM for this. With Windows 10 it consumes 1+ GB idle RAM as lowest never mind with less RAM lol.

    Surely that should cause degraded performance even if it is possible with a low hardware PC? You guys know better than me hence why I'm interested to know.
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    Windows 10 Pro (x64) 21H2 19044.1526
       #396

    BLaZiNgSPEED
    On that machine I'd probably go with Peanut Linux or some low footprint version.
    On My little netbook it took a sd card set to readyboost to really get over the lag times.
    on that one you'd be looking at 1 minute or worse lag times just opening programs.
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    Windows 10 Pro (x64) 21H2 19044.1526
       #397

    This thread should be moved to a sticky thread. 3200+ views 395 responses
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  8. Posts : 325
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #398

    thomaseg1 said:
    BLaZiNgSPEED
    On that machine I'd probably go with Peanut Linux or some low footprint version.
    On My little netbook it took a sd card set to readyboost to really get over the lag times.
    on that one you'd be looking at 1 minute or worse lag times just opening programs.
    So then what's the point of doing this experiment if you know that Windows 10 will just make the system performance worse?

    Is this an experiment just for fun to see how Windows 10 is being handle by low spec PCs? Otherwise I just think it is a waste of time and energy doing something that makes it unusable. I am assuming that after such experiment is conducted most return back to a lighter operating system.
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    Windows 10 Pro (x64) 21H2 19044.1526
       #399

    Oh I wasn't trying to stop you, just pointing out the downside.
    As Robert Heinlein said: Always listen to people who tell you what you Can't do and Why....
    Then Go ahead and do it.
    I once put Windows 95 on a ibm 360 40 mhz 8 meg ram computer after everyone
    told me it couldn't be done. True it plodded along but it did alright generally.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #400

    BLaZiNgSPEED said:
    What is the performance like using Windows 10 on a very old hardware?

    I have a very old DELL Inspiron with Pentium 4 Processor and 512 MB RAM with Windows XP, Radeon 7500 from 2004. That doesn't pass the recommended requirements.

    But I am curious to know how does an old PC with low RAM able to run properly under Windows 10, especially with Win 10 being a such a RAM monster compared to Windows XP and 8.1. I mean my PC with 8GB RAM, FX 8370, I have doubts whether Windows 10 is suitable for my PC. I feel I need 16 GB RAM for this. With Windows 10 it consumes 1+ GB idle RAM as lowest never mind with less RAM lol.

    Surely that should cause degraded performance even if it is possible with a low hardware PC? You guys know better than me hence why I'm interested to know.
    From the specs, most likely you are stuck with Windows 7 32-bit. If I am right, there is no WDDM graphics driver for ATI Radeon 7500, so you will have to use the Windows XP driver (XPDM) which is only possible with Windows 7 32-bit, not Windows 10. Also with 512MB RAM performance will be very slow and the more applications and updates you install the slower will become since you increase the number of startup services and applications. I would increase the RAM to maximum (probably 1GB or 2GB) and keep the startup services and applications to the minimum possible (by disabling those not critical). I'm afraid this laptop has an IDE 2.5" hard disk, so unless you buy some very expensive IDE SSD model (not worth it and difficult to find), you cannot further improve its performance. Modern SATA SSD disks do not work in old IDE laptops, and no, there is no adapter from IDE 2.5" to SATA to use. Even if it were one, you cannot fit it in the hard disk area. Besides, to install Windows 7 or 10 in such old laptop, you only do it for proof of concept. You cannot expect it to be useful for everyday office work (it is a matter of...minutes until you run out of patience). You can only use it to play some old emulator games (MAME or other 80s computer/console emulator) and for listening to internet radio or downloading stuff (preferably to a large USB hard disk or NAS). Any other use test your patience, believe me, been there, done that. I also don't like Linux as it is difficult to troubleshoot and severely limits your options. I prefer the huge compatibility of Windows, even if it runs slower. Most people believe that if you install a "light" (see VERY limited) Linux version you can magically transform any old PC to a supercomputer. No you don't! And you also severely limit compatibility with hardware and the range of applications available for the platform. So, no thank! I would rather install Windows 98 than Linux!
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