Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware

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       #361

    I have a gateway M505b2 that used to have the pentium m 1.5gh banias cpu. I upgraded with pentium m 755 dothan cpu. But i am still getting PAE not detected problem preventing win7/10 installation.

    Any solution to this?
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  2. Posts : 3,514
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #362

    I'm afraid you are stuck with Windows 7 32-bit. Even if CPU supports PAE/NX, it must be also supported by the motherboard and enabled in BIOS, rather unlikely for a Pentium M laptop. Besides chances are there is no WDDM driver for the graphics anyway, so you must install Windows 7 32-bit in order to use the Windows XP driver (XPDM). Even if you could enable PAE/NX to install Windows 10 32-bit without WDDM drivers you would use Microsoft Basic Adapter (software only, no acceleration) and would be too slow, definitely doesn't worth your effort.
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  3. Posts : 1,938
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #363

    i'm back online after resolving a few personal family matters for a couple of days and have lost an internet connection yesterday for several hours after an internet outage on our family street.

    I could not find the specs of the Gateway M505b2 notebook PC that wildpig1234 is using but found a similar model like M505 (w/out the "b2" after it) - M505 does use ATI mobility radeon 9600/9700 series and ATI does have a WDDM capable graphics driver for that (and that's also why I was able to run Win10 on an old Intel D101GGC board that uses onboard ATI Xpress 200 graphics, also wddm compliant - barely that is)

    according to the Ark Intel site, the Intel Pentium M 755 processor does NOT have NX / XD support ("Execute Disable Bit" for that one says No). so the gateway m505b2 laptop can't be able to run win10 nor win8.x with the 755 CPU. however, if you look at the Intel Pentium M 765 processor, that one seems to have NX / XD support but the Gateway M505/M505B2 will require a BIOS update from at least year 2005 to provide the NX / XD support option.

    meanwhile, I'll continue beta testing the upcoming 1903/19H1 release [build 18362.x] on the old Dell e1405 laptop with a spare western digital 250Gb hard drive - believe it or not when I beta tested build 18362.1 around the end of March, it surprisingly worked with the Intel core duo T2700 "Yonah" cpu whereas the 1809 version did not.
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  4. Posts : 3,514
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 21H1 (May 2021 build 19043.1083)
       #364

    Interesting info. That means they did some changes in 1809 that causes incompatibilities and they then fixed that
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  5. Posts : 1,983
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       #365

    Well, still managing to get the latest Release Preview 18362.53 running on the old Acer Travelmate 2423 with Celeron M 370 1.50 GHz, 2GB DDR2 with a BIOS dating back to May 2006.

    It is currently multibooting with 1607 and 1809 1607 has reached end of life now on Pro and Enterprise/Education, and was the last version that could be installed with an upgrade from Windows 7 on this machine.
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    However it will not clean install, upgrade via Windows update, or from any downloaded Windows version update iso since 1607, 14393, the Anniversary Update.

    It may still be possible to apply the Windows Image (\sources\install.wim) using DISM or Imagex to this old machine's main storage, but that takes an age and is not always successful, especially with failures during OOBE, but there's an easier and more reliable way to do it.

    It involves creating a windows installation on a more modern machine, but inside a native-booting VHD. 40GB is a good size to use I find. Any user modifications and programs may be installed here, as well as any cumulative updates, etc., that there may be available.

    In order to make a 40GB VHD easily transported either by portable storage or over a network, it can be zipped down to a zipfile little more than 3 GB in size, then re-extracted. Extraction takes about 30 minutes on the Travelmate. This can be extracted directly to the main storage of the Travelmate where space is limited.

    Once the VHD has been mounted on the Travelmate, say in a drive V:, using bcdboot V:\windows to make a boot entry on the Travelmate BCD.

    On rebooting, there is an error bluescreen - your computer needs to be repaired..., but on the second reboot, it enters a windows update blue dialog with the circling dots, downloads some stuff, then rapidly sets up devices etc after changing to a black screen.

    Finally it brings up the lock screen and allows me to log-on, then the welcome screen. Finally, after a visit to Device Manager, and disabling some devices that have warnings, which have never been recognised correctly or installed in every Windows 10 version run on this machine, the machine is ready for a final reboot with everything I need working, and at a reasonable speed.

    However I then checked Activation, which had deactivated because of the settings it carried over from the initial installation on the other machine. I just needed to check the other Windows 10 installations on the Travelmate for a copy of GenuineTicket.xml from running GatherOSState.exe on the 1607, which I keep just for instances such as this, to add to the clipserver genuineticket folder. However, this is the first time that I remember having a transferred system to a machine that has already been activated not activating within minutes, but I think that the activation servers must be extra busy at the moment.

    It works perfectly adequately with desktop applications in multitasking mode, despite the low processor and memory specifications. Next stop - skippy...:)

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  6. Posts : 282
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       #366

    Fafhrd said:
    Well, still managing to get the latest Release Preview 18362.53 running on the old Acer Travelmate 2423 with Celeron M 370 1.50 GHz, 2GB DDR2 with a BIOS dating back to May 2006.
    Your laptop is actually quite similar to mine. Same series (Dothan), same RAM, and also an old ass BIOS.


    Fafhrd said:
    ever it will not clean install, upgrade via Windows update, or from any downloaded Windows version update iso since 1607, 14393, the Anniversary Update.
    You mentioned that 1607 was the latest you could clean install, but what about 1709? For me, that's the latest that works fine.
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  7. Posts : 1,983
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       #367

    All motherboards are different. With the Travelmate, the cut down BIOS, and the lack of working chipset, graphics and device drivers create a PNP hell for setup and Windows 10 duplicates many devices when "getting devices ready".

    Here is my Device manager in 1903, with many of the duplicated devices disabled. Where there are still devices showing yellow triangle warnings, these cause BSODs if I disable them.

    In the earliest Windows 10 version that I could run,1511 on this machine, the memory conflicts caused system interrupts that would cripple the machine using 100% CPU, and filling the memory up until I managed to disable the Modem, network adapters, and the Video controllers.

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    With 1903, the system runs faster and much more responsively than with any earlier version I have tried. Whereas 1511 was crippled, 1607 worked acceptably with the Yellow warnings, but better with them disabled where possible. No, I couldn't install 1709, @bobjoe it would fail during OOBE. I had to apply it with the Install.wim.

    Just like Windows itself having problems with the lack of drivers, and conflicting devices, I think that the Windows 10 Preinstallation environment, which uses a ramdisk and more memory for graphics and as system memory, and some features of setup just run out of steam.
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  8. Posts : 282
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       #368

    Fafhrd said:


    With 1903, the system runs faster and much more responsively than with any earlier version I have tried. Whereas 1511 was crippled, 1607 worked acceptably with the Yellow warnings, but better with them disabled where possible. No, I couldn't install 1709, @bobjoe it would fail during OOBE. I had to apply it with the Install.wim.
    Hmm, interesting. Thanks for the info.


    BTW, another thing I noticed.... Your PC name defaulted to "DESKTOP-whatever", even though it's a laptop and should've been "LAPTOP-whatever". My laptop did the same thing. Could this mean anything?
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  9. Posts : 1,983
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       #369

    All my (old) laptops seem to default to "DESKTOP-whatever" perhaps Windows 10 has a database of modern PCs, but doesn't bother about older models - I cannot say.
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  10. Posts : 2,935
    Windows 10 Home x64
       #370

    Interesting info. I am having troubles installing v1809 on a 2009 Packard Bell Imedia A3483 SP system. Installation gets stuck at OOBE questions. Installing v1803 to see if I can install v1809 on top of it later. For me, Windows 10 v1809 is the least compatible version of Windows ever released and the least old-hardware-friendly.
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