Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware

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  1. Posts : 6
    Windows 10 Pro 64
       #351

    erpster4 said: View Post
    though you did not say what edition (and build #) of Win10 that you are running (and did not mention what specific Pentium 4 CPU you have).
    type winver.exe either on the Run dialog box or Administrative command prompt (cmd.exe) to show Win10 version & edition AND run the CPU-Z tool to determine the type of P4 processor you have on the Dell GX280 computer.

    the problem is when running recent versions of Win10 (like v1809 [build 17763.x] & higher) on very old hardware
    running older Win10 versions like v1607 on a hyperthreaded Pentium 4 in Socket LGA775 form is okay
    OK Thanks will check and post back.
    I haven't updated it in a while so I'm guessing it's on 1703
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  2. Posts : 524
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #352

    mazza said: View Post
    OK Thanks will check and post back.
    I haven't updated it in a while so I'm guessing it's on 1703
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    ok. though running winver.exe will show what specific build & edition of win10 (home, pro, education, enterprise) being used on the Dell Optiplex GX280 machine

    also there are several versions of the Dell Optiplex GX280 computer which come in different "form factors"
    the SFF (small form factor) version of GX280 has a smaller motherboard containing only 2 RAM slots which hold up to 2Gb of RAM. the mid-tower and full tower desktop versions of GX280 have a motherboard that has 4 memory slots and can max out at 4Gb of RAM as I checked the GX280 setup guide myself.
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  3. Posts : 6
    Windows 10 Pro 64
       #353

    It is the SFF (Small Form Factor) machine, I will check the ram which I remember upgrading some years ago and I probably fitted the maximum. It was originally running Windows XP and then Windows 7 so I took advantage of the free upgrade offer from Microsoft to Windows 10 Pro. I had it hooked up to a TV via HDMI on the graphics card, which had to be a low profile card, and used it as a media center with a remote control, it ran quite well.
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  4. bobjoe's Avatar
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    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       #354

    I have a really old LG laptop from 2006 with:

    - Intel Pentium M 740 @ 1.73 GHz
    - 2 GB RAM
    - 60 GB HDD


    The laptop runs W10 all the way up to 1709, but like many people trying to run W10 on old hardware, I cannot update to 1809.

    More info on this problem here: W10 update error on (really) old laptop: SAFE_OS phase
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  5. Posts : 524
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #355

    bobjoe said: View Post
    I have a really old LG laptop from 2006 with:

    - Intel Pentium M 740 @ 1.73 GHz
    - 2 GB RAM
    - 60 GB HDD


    The laptop runs W10 all the way up to 1709, but like many people trying to run W10 on old hardware, I cannot update to 1809.

    More info on this problem here: W10 update error on (really) old laptop: SAFE_OS phase
    can you run dxdiag.exe, msinfo32.exe or even Speccy to determine the model number of that LG laptop, bobjoe?

    I did say in that thread to forget about running newer Win10 versions a few weeks ago - so perhaps consider replacing that old LG laptop with a new one - something made this decade between 2010 and 2019 that can handle the newer win10 releases like 1809 and the upcoming 1903 release.

    I, too, will also start thinking of replacing the old 2007 Dell Inspiron e1405 laptop that my brother and I gave to my mother back in the summer of 2007 - I will consider replacing the Dell laptop in the 2020s, perhaps with a newer Dell model that comes pre-installed with Win10.

    Win10 demands at least a dual-core processor (aka, Intel Core 2 Duo desktop/mobile/laptop, AMD Athlon 64 X2, etc.) at least a 160Gb, 250Gb or 320Gb hard drive (that's right bobjoe - that old 60Gb hard drive ain't good enough and not fast enough - start changing that hard drive and put in something bigger & faster like a 160 gig [100 + 60] hard drive)

    mazza said: View Post
    It is the SFF (Small Form Factor) machine, I will check the ram which I remember upgrading some years ago and I probably fitted the maximum. It was originally running Windows XP and then Windows 7 so I took advantage of the free upgrade offer from Microsoft to Windows 10 Pro. I had it hooked up to a TV via HDMI on the graphics card, which had to be a low profile card, and used it as a media center with a remote control, it ran quite well.
    ok, though I'm still waiting for you to post a screenshot of what winver.exe reports on that Dell computer, mazza
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  6. bobjoe's Avatar
    Posts : 260
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       #356

    erpster4 said: View Post
    can you run dxdiag.exe, msinfo32.exe or even Speccy to determine the model number of that LG laptop, bobjoe?
    I can, but like I said on the other thread, it's pointless to do so. This laptop was ONLY sold in ONE country and if you Google the model number, there is ZERO information about it online, not even a single picture of it. Hell, the keyboard is in Spanish... I bought it when I used to live in Peru for a few years.

    Regardless, here's the DxDiag, a screenshot of msinfo32, a screenshot of Speccy, a screenshot of sigverif.exe results, as well as my setuperr.log file from last night's attempt at upgrading from a freshly-installed 1709 to 1809 through mounting a freshly-downloaded ISO:


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    I did say in that thread to forget about running newer Win10 versions a few weeks ago - so perhaps consider replacing that old LG laptop with a new one - something made this decade between 2010 and 2019 that can handle the newer win10 releases like 1809 and the upcoming 1903 release.
    I'm not really looking to spend money... This is just a fun mini project of mine (that is, getting W10's latest versions running on this shitty laptop)
    (that's right bobjoe - that old 60Gb hard drive ain't good enough and not fast enough - start changing that hard drive and put in something bigger & faster like a 160 gig [100 + 60] hard drive)
    I highly doubt the hard drive is the problem here. It's a pretty good Fujitsu drive from back in the day.

    I had a Dell Venue tablet a few years ago with a mere 32 GB of eMMC storage, and it ran Windows 8.1 just fine.
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  7. Posts : 524
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #357

    I may need more screenshots of the Network devices listed by Speccy, bobjoe.
    you may have some old network devices in that old LG laptop that may seem "non-compliant" with newer win10 versions; that's probably why the newer win10 versions like 1809 refuse to work on there
    I've had that happen on the Dell e1405 laptop where the 1703 version "hung" or froze on the desktop or constantly use between 50% or 100% cpu usage; first I thought it was an incompatibility with an internal Intel 5100 Wifi adapter but nope it turned out to be an incompatibility with the internal Broadcom 440x ethernet/LAN adapter which Microsoft provided a fix for that several months after 1703 was released.

    I highly doubt the hard drive is the problem here. It's a pretty good Fujitsu drive from back in the day.
    but not good for today's standards - many people are using 100gb+ hard drives this decade; that 60Gb HDD will be a bottleneck. the Dell e1405 laptop originally came with a Seagate 80Gb HDD but upgraded to a Seagate 320Gb HDD several years later. also the original CPU installed was an Intel Core Duo T2350 (1.86Ghz), which I later replaced with an Intel Core Duo T2700 (2.33Ghz) in mid-2013 and then upgraded again with an Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 (2.33Ghz) in mid-2015 that included 64bit support.

    also the 1809 version of win10 felt rushed to production as in released prematurely in early Oct 2018 and was pulled by MS due to user file deletion issues [now that turned out to be a major fiasco as written in this article] and re-released several weeks later with some bug fixes but there were still some issues with old hardware

    edit 4/9: I did also mention a few weeks back that v1809 does not seem to work with certain old Intel CPUs (like the Core Duo Yonah series) on the Dell e1405 notebook pc; 1809 started to work when I upgraded the CPU to the Core 2 Duo T7600 on that Dell laptop. maybe try changing that Pentium M 740 CPU chip with a faster one like the Pentium M 780 - I don't know if v1809 will work with a different Pentium M processor on the LG laptop.

    may better to wait for the 1903 version in late May, which might improve things that the 1803/1809 could not do and just skip the 1809 version entirely, which is what I told some other guy who could not run the 1809 release
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  8. bobjoe's Avatar
    Posts : 260
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       #358

    erpster4 said: View Post
    I may need more screenshots of the Network devices listed by Speccy, bobjoe.
    you may have some old network devices in that old LG laptop that may seem "non-compliant" with newer win10 versions; that's probably why the newer win10 versions like 1809 refuse to work on there
    I've had that happen on the Dell e1405 laptop where the 1703 version "hung" or froze on the desktop or constantly use between 50% or 100% cpu usage; first I thought it was an incompatibility with an internal Intel 5100 Wifi adapter but nope it turned out to be an incompatibility with the internal Broadcom 440x ethernet/LAN adapter which Microsoft provided a fix for that several months after 1703 was released.
    No Broadcom here. Only Intel for Wi-Fi and Realtek for Ethernet. And yes, I already tried unplugging the Wi-Fi card and doing the upgrade. Same error.
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    erpster4 said: View Post
    maybe try changing that Pentium M 740 CPU chip with a faster one like the Pentium M 780 - I don't know if v1809 will work with a different Pentium M processor on the LG laptop.
    Perhaps... But it could be an issue with the whole Pentium M series.
    erpster4 said: View Post
    may better to wait for the 1903 version in late May, which might improve things that the 1803/1809 could not do and just skip the 1809 version entirely, which is what I told some other guy who could not run the 1809 release
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    Perhaps. But I also already tried upgrading to the "Fast ring" Insider build directly from 1709 and it didn't work either.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1803 (April 2018 build 17134.706)
       #359

    As said before, create a full backup of your hard disk before trying anything new. Even better, use a spare hard disk to do a clean installation of any new build. If the clean installation works, probably upgrading from an old build will work too, unless your system is not in good condition so you should backup and do a clean installation anyway.
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1803 (April 2018 build 17134.706)
       #360

    Installing Windows 10 64-bit in old MacBook Pro 2012.

    Well, not exactly an old computer, but I wanted to share my experience. I work as a Computer Technician and recently a customer gave as an old MacBook Pro to see why Netflix wouldn't work on it. It had an old version of Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion and current minimum system requirement is Mac OS X 10.10 or higher. We decided to install Windows 10 instead to take advantage of the full potential of the MacBook. So we called our customer, he bought the license and we formatted the Mac OS X and installed Windows 10 in UEFI mode. An easy way to locate and install all relevant Apple drivers is to run the third party utility Brigadier. So I downloaded and ran Brigadier which identified the MacBook model, connected to Apple server, downloaded Bootcamp for Windows and all the relevant drivers and installed them. So far so good. There is one minor bug, when installing Windows in UEFI mode the audio drivers do not work because the UEFI Firmware does not expose the audio device correctly. You can either forget about it and use a USB sound card, or format and install Windows in Legacy (BIOS) mode (for those Macs that support it). So beware! If you ever try to install Windows 10 in a Mac use Legacy more, if applicable.
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