Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware

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  1.    #321

    erpster4 said: View Post
    um Steve, I think you double posted (aka. said this twice). remove one of them if possible

    upon further testing on the Dell e1405 laptop (a 2007 model using Intel 945gm chipset), I can do a clean install of Win10 v1803 on there and the 1803 version runs fine after I switched back the CPU chip to the old Intel Core Duo T2700 Yonah processor. I tried to perform the upgrade from 1803 to 1809 (not thru Windows Update but thru installation media - I have a bunch of spare usb pen drives to create different win10 installation media) and after installation of 1809 and a reboot, it would completely freeze on the windows logo boot screen (w/ no spinning or circling dots) for many hours. I then powered off the laptop, turned it on and it would boot but would not complete the 1809 installation and reverted back to the 1803 version with an error message saying it could not install 1809.

    for my situation with 1809, it was not the drivers - it was the hardware (aka. the CPU)
    the 1809 release does not seem to work with Intel Yonah CPUs on the Dell laptop. only after switching from the Intel Yonah CPU (T2700) to the Intel Merom CPU (a T7600), the 1809 version of win10 will install & run succesfully on the Dell laptop.

    It is really getting to a point where current & future builds/versions of win10 may break support for older Intel/AMD processors & chipsets (or perhaps drop support for them altogether), especially what happened to the Intel Atom Cloverview or Clover Trail chipsets, which are only supported up to v1607.
    A quick Google search when my 2006 PC didn't auto update to v1809 indicated there are no new CPU requirements above v1803. Please advise if you discover a hardware reason for the update to v1809 failing.
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  2.    #322

    I remind you that although v1809 refused to install, insider version did.
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       #323

    It seems the rumors might be true... I read in another thread that Microsoft is deliberately dropping support for older hardware in newer Windows 10 builds. I also have an old Acer Extensa running some T???? Intel CPU (do not remember which) and I have recently successfully updated to Windows 10 Pro v1809 32-bit. I will tell you once I have access to it again. What if you upgrade to v1809 with one CPU and then replace it with the other? Does it work?

    PS: That is why is we must always keep an older Windows 10 build available as a fallback when we download a new build.
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       #324

    spapakons said: View Post
    It seems the rumors might be true... I read in another thread that Microsoft is deliberately dropping support for older hardware in newer Windows 10 builds. I also have an old Acer Extensa running some T???? Intel CPU (do not remember which) and I have recently successfully updated to Windows 10 Pro v1809 32-bit. I will tell you once I have access to it again. What if you upgrade to v1809 with one CPU and then replace it with the other? Does it work?

    PS: That is why is we must always keep an older Windows 10 build available as a fallback when we download a new build.
    or use either an LTSB 2015 (v1507) or LTSB 2016 (v1607) version on anything below an Intel Core 2 Duo (desktop or laptop, Conroe/Merom) or Cedarmill (Pentium 4/Celeron D) based machine, which both of those get about 10 years of cumulative updates

    about the question of upgrade to 1809 with one processor then change it later. tried that when I upgraded my Dell e1405 to v1809 using the T7600 (Merom) which upgraded succesfully, then change it to the older T2700 - computer will not boot with the T2700 (Yonah) - froze on the win10 boot splash screen - no animated circling dots at the bottom; both CPUs mentioned are Socket M based processors. not experiencing that problem with v1803.

    check out this awesome screenshot - crazy but true (I did this as an experiment with an old Intel motherboard using an Intel Pentium 4 524 "Prescott" chip & running 32bit Win10 v1809) [not all Prescott based CPUs may work with v1809, usually the 500 & 600 based Prescott CPUs (minimum Pentium 4 505/505J) can run at least v1809 32bit]




    use Speccy or CPU-Z on that old Acer Extensa computer and see which processor it uses.
    Last edited by erpster4; 04 Mar 2019 at 11:22.
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       #325

    screenshot of the error message after attempting to upgrade from 1803 to 1809 on the Dell laptop using an Intel Core Duo mobile T2700 (2.33Ghz) Yonah processor but failed and reverted back to 1803

    (looks like the 1809 version does not like Intel Yonah and any Pentium M processor)
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  6.    #326

    That's the exact error message I am getting too on another Core 2 Duo processor (maybe the same). I tried an insider preview version and it worked though. Waiting for 19H1 release although I am not keeping my hopes up.
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  7.    #327

    Two oldest systems I have, both allow standard installing & running & updating of 1809 x64:

    Atom N450 Pineview & NM10 Chipset - year 2010
    ...horribly slow, limited usage possible under linux

    Core2 Quad Q9550 Yorkfield & nForce 750i Chipset - year 2008
    ...lack of SLAT/EPT so no 3-tier nested virtualization

    Perhaps they will be supported under 19H1 too.
    Not "really old hardware", only for info.
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       #328

    eLPuSHeR said: View Post
    That's the exact error message I am getting too on another Core 2 Duo processor (maybe the same). I tried an insider preview version and it worked though. Waiting for 19H1 release although I am not keeping my hopes up.
    can you run the CPU-Z tool to see what Core 2 Duo CPU you have, eLPuSHeR?

    I only encounter that error message with a mobile Intel Core Duo "Yonah" (32bit/x86 only) processor (it was a T2700). If I put in a Core 2 Duo mobile that is based on "Merom" (has Intel EM64T support) [ex. T7600], the error message does not appear when upgrading from 32bit v1803 to 32bit v1809.

    seems like 1809 (both 32bit & 64bit) works with Intel & AMD processors that need minimum either Intel EM64T or AMD64
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  9.    #329

    erpster4 said: View Post
    If I put in a Core 2 Duo mobile that is based on "Merom" (has Intel EM64T support) [ex. T7600]
    I am running latest W10 on a T7600 (a MacBookPro2,1 from 2006) and it works fine so I think your analysis is correct.
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  10.    #330

    This is it. You are correct, erpster4.
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