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  1.    06 Sep 2016 #21
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    Apologies for the double post and I ask if a mod can merge if necessary.


    I'll explain a little bit on my instruction to OP. SMSS is Windows session manager. It loads and controls your login session. If it's taking long then your startup program is part of your login rather than Window's actual startup. Windows preloads this stuff on some machines.

    Svchost is short for Service Host. It holds the services that you change in control panel. Multiple are loaded for security reasons. Essentially there are two for each user (one for admin needing services, one for the rest) and then one for every "non-user account". For example, Windows update and your network devices sometimes create their own user so they cannot he affected by anything you do while they work in the background. If not, you logging out could close them, crashing a background download or update.
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  2.    06 Sep 2016 #22
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    Thank you all for your answers, I will just quit trying to find a solution and blame it on the HDD. I will post again if I decide to buy a SSD, have a great day
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  3.    07 Sep 2016 #23
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    There is a difference between a Cold Boot (start by pressing Power Button) and reboot time in Windows.
    My Lenovo z710 (no SDD) takes 18s to Boot (cold boot). A Reboot takes between 42s and over 1 Min, sometimes 1min 20s, this is random, seems it takes longer after installing a new Program may be Windows Defender is "working on it".
    Before the update (105) it was always under 1min , mostly 52s.
    In order to achieve the short Cold Boot time you must have Superfetch enabled and Fast Start-Up enabled, otherwise it will take the same time as a reboot.
    By reboot Windows is loading everything new. By Cold Boot Windows is loading from a special file it has been created while shutdown.

    You may want to try following:
    Delete all XML files located in Windows>Performance>WinSAT>DataStore
    Next, open an Elevated Command Prompt and type this:
    Winsat formal -clean

    Before running WinSAT you may want also to run the LODCTR /R command.
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  4.    07 Sep 2016 #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwar View Post
    There is a difference between a Cold Boot (start by pressing Power Button) and reboot time in Windows.
    My Lenovo z710 (no SDD) takes 18s to Boot (cold boot). A Reboot takes between 42s and over 1 Min, sometimes 1min 20s, this is random, seems it takes longer after installing a new Program may be Windows Defender is "working on it".
    Before the update (105) it was always under 1min , mostly 52s.
    In order to achieve the short Cold Boot time you must have Superfetch enabled and Fast Start-Up enabled, otherwise it will take the same time as a reboot.
    By reboot Windows is loading everything new. By Cold Boot Windows is loading from a special file it has been created while shutdown.

    You may want to try following:
    Delete all XML files located in Windows>Performance>WinSAT>DataStore
    Next, open an Elevated Command Prompt and type this:
    Winsat formal -clean

    Before running WinSAT you may want also to run the LODCTR /R command.
    Superfetch is enabled, fastboot is disabled as it makes my shutdown time 2 minutes. After I did what you said boot times are somewhere from 35-45 seconds without including the BIOS boot time. Another thing I notice is that the laptop spend at least 10 seconds in the welcome screen before loading desktop, It's probably the HDD being slow because otherwise if your z710 can do it, my lenovo y50 should also do it. Thank you for the suggestions, have a great day

    EDIT: Did a couple of more cold boots and now the laptop turns on 30 seconds from the moment the button is pushed, the welcome screen lasts only a second. YOU SIR ARE A WIZARD. Thank you for the idea. I will test it a bit more and mark this as solved.
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  5.    07 Sep 2016 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseclick View Post
    Superfetch is enabled, fastboot is disabled as it makes my shutdown time 2 minutes. After I did what you said boot times are somewhere from 35-45 seconds without including the BIOS boot time. Another thing I notice is that the laptop spend at least 10 seconds in the welcome screen before loading desktop, It's probably the HDD being slow because otherwise if your z710 can do it, my lenovo y50 should also do it. Thank you for the suggestions, have a great day
    OK.
    It takes a long time to shut down because Windows is preparing the File for the next Cold Boot.
    In my case it takes about 18s (after Screen goes Black) to shut down.
    You can not expect a Short (cold) Boot time with Fast Boot disable. There is no "Miracles".
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  6.    07 Sep 2016 #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwar View Post
    OK.
    It takes a long time to shut down because Windows is preparing the File for the next Cold Boot.
    In my case it takes about 18s (after Screen goes Black) to shut down.
    You can not expect a Short (cold) Boot time with Fast Boot disable. There is no "Miracles".
    Yes I can tell windows is preparing the boot files but 2 minutes (not exaggerated) is too much don't you think? That's why now I'm happy with a 30 second boot time. If i turned on fastboot it would probably shave down to 25 maybe but it's not worth the trade. Any suggestions?
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  7.    07 Sep 2016 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by mouseclick View Post
    Yes I can tell windows is preparing the boot files but 2 minutes (not exaggerated) is too much don't you think? That's why now I'm happy with a 30 second boot time. If i turned on fastboot it would probably shave down to 25 maybe but it's not worth the trade. Any suggestions?
    I did not understand what you did to get the 30s now. Would you please explain, as reference for other people that might read this thread?
    The only thing I can suggest you is looking in the Start-Up files/Services for things that not need to load and stay resident in memory.
    You may also give a try to RAMMap by Mark Russinovich from Sysinternals. Use it one time and reboot.
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  8.    07 Sep 2016 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwar View Post
    I did not understand what you did to get the 30s now. Would you please explain, as reference for other people that might read this thread?
    The only thing I can suggest you is looking in the Start-Up files/Services for things that not need to load and stay resident in memory.
    You may also give a try to RAMMap by Mark Russinovich from Sysinternals. Use it one time and reboot.

    Fastboot was on until today so I turned it off because I was tired of the long shutdown times and also Deleted all the XML files in Windows>Performance>WinSAT>DataStore and also ran "Winsat formal -clean" in cmd.
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  9.    07 Sep 2016 #29
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    2 Min. to shut down is too long.
    I can not say from here why.
    Too many programs? The "Optimize and Defragment drive" is on working? I have this option turned off since 1st day and for every Drive and every PC I own.
    You can find it by choosing in Windows Explorer, Drive C, Properties, Tolls, Optimise. Clicking on this will open another Window where you can enable/disable it . Also you can perform a "Analyse" if you think that would be necessary or useful.
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  10.    07 Sep 2016 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adalwar View Post
    2 Min. to shut down is too long.
    I can not say from here why.
    Too many programs? The "Optimize and Defragment drive" is on working? I have this option turned off since 1st day and for every Drive and every PC I own.
    You can find it by choosing in Windows Explorer, Drive C, Properties, Tolls, Optimise. Clicking on this will open another Window where you can enable/disable it . Also you can perform a "Analyse" if you think that would be necessary or useful.
    The Optimize shouldn't be the reason. It is scheduled to run on weekly basis. Without fastboot shutdown is 10 seconds and now boot is 30 seconds, I'm quite happy with that. If I find a way to turn fastboot while maintaining a short shutdown time I will report.
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