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  1.    08 Jun 2016 #51
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    Windows 7/64 Professional

    I personally use Ccleaner for years, and yes at time I use the Registry section. It has never cause me a problem.

    Example would be when deleting things. I run the Registry section and see if anything of that deleted object, program or what ever is still in the registry. If it is I remove it using Ccleaner or regedit.
    If you all could, keep in mind when using Ccleaner or regedit incorrectly I have cause problems.
    So I will go back to my old school ways. If one uses a tool, program or what ever on a computer be prepared
    to use a backup or clone of some kind to correct the ones boo boo.

    I do trust Ccleaner but it's not a blind trust.

    Here is another thought.
    Because of all the changes and upgrades of W-10 I'm not really sure if Ccleaner is keeping up with all the changes to W-10 which might (?) be a problem.

    Ccleaner is a tool and like any other tool, one should know how to use the tool properly.
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  2.    09 Jun 2016 #52
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Poole Dorset UK
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    Windows 10 x64 Home Version(1709) Build16299.125

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    I personally use Ccleaner for years, and yes at time I use the Registry section. It has never cause me a problem.

    Example would be when deleting things. I run the Registry section and see if anything of that deleted object, program or what ever is still in the registry. If it is I remove it using Ccleaner or regedit.
    If you all could, keep in mind when using Ccleaner or regedit incorrectly I have cause problems.
    So I will go back to my old school ways. If one uses a tool, program or what ever on a computer be prepared
    to use a backup or clone of some kind to correct the ones boo boo.

    I do trust Ccleaner but it's not a blind trust.

    Here is another thought.
    Because of all the changes and upgrades of W-10 I'm not really sure if Ccleaner is keeping up with all the changes to W-10 which might (?) be a problem.

    Ccleaner is a tool and like any other tool, one should know how to use the tool properly.
    Agree with you all the way on that 100%
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  3.    09 Jun 2016 #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekimo View Post
    You don't need any of those programs, I don't even use Ccleaner anymore. If I was going to use one Ccleaner would be the only one.

    Driver programs are usually more trouble than good in my opinion.

    Most of those other utilities are snake oil.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    This thread is going to end up causing all kinds of comments. Kind of like asking "what is the best AV program"
    One program the OP asked about "slimcleaner" has caused some of our members nothing but trouble. THAT program should NEVER be installed!! Most programs like that one....are nothing but trouble.
    Driver programs are again nothing but trouble !!! Get your drivers from the manufacturer of your PC, or whoever made the graphics card, sound card ....etc ... Windows will also check for drivers too.
    Most programs that say they can Optimize your computer are mostly ALL Junk. Stay away from them.

    CCleaner is fine with me, never had a problem running it. OR ANY part of it. One of the better programs out their.
    Bottom line the user should just try to use their common sense, which can help avoid many problems.
    And the BEST idea above ANYTHING Else is, Make regular image backups, keep them stored on a external drive!!! This is your BESTprotection for your Windows OS. This one simple step, would save so many members hours and hours of headache's.
    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    From my experience most if not all of the tools that "optimize" a PC's performance are garbage. As for CCleaner. It's fine to clean up cookies and things but I would never use it for a registry cleaner. It serves no purpose to perform a registry clean since Win95/98 days. There is far too much proof that it's not needed.
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  4.    09 Jun 2016 #54
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 11
    Windows 10 Pro

    Use Revo on 2 Laptops and 3 desktops not every day use but maybe monthly will no issue's for years enjoy Windows 10. But are these programs needed probably not in this new age of Windows!
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  5.    09 Jun 2016 #55
    Join Date : Feb 2015
    Bamberg Germany
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    Win10 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Win10 Pro Insider Fast Ring, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu

    The best "System Optimizers" are:
    A brand spanking new SSD(M.2 if your MOBO has the connecter, using NVMe drivers of course!)

    and

    More RAM(up to the point you need, 8GB is the sweet spot for daily computing and multi tasking, 16GB for Gaming, 3D CAD and a few Virtual Machines running at the same time constantly from boot to shutdown, and 32GB for a lot of VMs and a server(host or as VM))
    For RAM there is a point on diminishing returns, where it just isn't worth it.
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  6.    09 Jun 2016 #56
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Tropic of Cancer
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    Microsoft Windows 10 Home

    Quote Originally Posted by 51sandman View Post
    Use Revo on 2 Laptops and 3 desktops not every day use but maybe monthly will no issue's for years enjoy Windows 10. But are these programs needed probably not in this new age of Windows!
    Those programs are not needed. Those are some different user interface and conglomeration of various different system tools (other than the registry part). It is sometimes hard to use the system provided tools, and system tools are not that AIO (all in one) things. So these tools are there.

    Take the example of boot defrag. One can do it using the system tool, that will need some command line interface; whereas tools like Puran does it graphically. Users who are not savvy with command line finds Puran easier.

    Internet advertisements and pop-ups made them popular, plus some of us have the hangover of XP age habits. So those tools have the market.

    If one can use all his system tools appropriately, then those tools are really not needed. Probably that is why they are celled Snake Oil.
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  7.    14 Jun 2016 #57
    Join Date : Mar 2015
    Stockport UK
    Posts : 2,949
    Wndows 10 x64 Home version 1709

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    I personally use Ccleaner for years, and yes at time I use the Registry section. It has never cause me a problem.

    Example would be when deleting things. I run the Registry section and see if anything of that deleted object, program or what ever is still in the registry. If it is I remove it using Ccleaner or regedit.
    If you all could, keep in mind when using Ccleaner or regedit incorrectly I have cause problems.
    So I will go back to my old school ways. If one uses a tool, program or what ever on a computer be prepared
    to use a backup or clone of some kind to correct the ones boo boo.

    I do trust Ccleaner but it's not a blind trust.

    Here is another thought.
    Because of all the changes and upgrades of W-10 I'm not really sure if Ccleaner is keeping up with all the changes to W-10 which might (?) be a problem.

    Ccleaner is a tool and like any other tool, one should know how to use the tool properly.
    Agree totally with that Layback bear. Although the registry cleaner module in CCleaner is a very mild one you can't just run it without examining the results before deleting them all.
    As you say the user should know how to use the tool.

    I did around four or five years beta testing JV16 Power Tools way back in the day when it was popular, now that was hard work. However it taught me not to screw with the registry until I knew what each entry related to.

    Back to CCleaner, If I uninstall the Realtek HD drivers using Programs and Features, reboot then run the registry cleaner in CCleaner then it will find around 159 entries relating to the Realtek HD drivers. If I run it again it will find another 180 or so. all of these are safe to remove.
    Whatever version of Windows why would I want a registry filling up with leftovers.
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  8.    16 Jun 2016 #58
    Join Date : Jun 2016
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10 Home 64bit/Win 7 64bit/Zorin

    So I dug my way thru all 6 pages of this thread and read plenty of 'listen to me' comments. Snake oil or otherwise, if used with commensense and caution using these types of apps is a great way to learn.
    Anyway, as some of you guys appear to know heaps, answer me this please

    Bootlog, Win 10 Home, tells me that dxgkrnl.sys loads, or attempts to at least, 6 times.
    What drives this behaviour as it causes me plenty of grieve during the boot process (near the end at the desktop)
    There has to be a file or registry hive which drives the loading of *.sys files. But where is that???

    And before you ream my rearend for asking this question in piggy back fashion on this thread, I have posted this question in numerous forums and never seem to get an answer. So maybe you knowledgable fellows can point me in the right direction.

    Cheers
    NZTinker
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  9.    17 Jun 2016 #59
    Join Date : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 24,523
    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by NZTinker View Post
    So I dug my way thru all 6 pages of this thread and read plenty of 'listen to me' comments. Snake oil or otherwise, if used with commensense and caution using these types of apps is a great way to learn.
    Anyway, as some of you guys appear to know heaps, answer me this please

    Bootlog, Win 10 Home, tells me that dxgkrnl.sys loads, or attempts to at least, 6 times.
    What drives this behaviour as it causes me plenty of grieve during the boot process (near the end at the desktop)
    There has to be a file or registry hive which drives the loading of *.sys files. But where is that???

    And before you ream my rearend for asking this question in piggy back fashion on this thread, I have posted this question in numerous forums and never seem to get an answer. So maybe you knowledgable fellows can point me in the right direction.

    Cheers
    NZTinker
    I just did a fast search and I found this:
    What is the dxgkrnl.sys file?

    HTH
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  10.    17 Jun 2016 #60
    Join Date : Jun 2016
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    Windows 10 Home 64bit/Win 7 64bit/Zorin

    Thanks BunnyJ,
    Nothing new to be learned there unfortunately. I know what dxgkrnl.sys is and that it gets loaded in or put on the system files by a variety of programs, however the question I keep asking and which almost seems like asking a FreeMason in house secrets is. What and how is driving the loading of that file? And so far nobody knows or is willing to say.
    All I know is I have up to 6 versions on my system, with file sizes ranging from 250Kb to 1.9Mg and as it so happens it tries to load 6 times at final booting and fails 5 times. So what the heck is driving that repeated loading? And not even consistently either as each log file shows a differing order for when files are loaded.
    It remains a mistery and seemingly a MS secret that those that know won't share with the world.

    Frustratingly yours
    NZTinker
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