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  1.    14 Jan 2016 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    Dam it Kenn, I read some of your post WRONG for that I am sorry, as I thought you were saying it would defrag the ssd, again my mistake. I also checked volume shadow copy (VSS) in my computer and found it set to manually run. That could actually defrag an ssd a little.....I read....??? Anyhow, I disabled it. along with Superfetch which I found enabled. Which it should not have been. Guess this is one of the differences between a Intel SSD and a Samsung SSD as my Intel SSD disables this without any user intervention. ..... I like that phase .... "I disagree with your disagreement"
    Mike...
    Thanks, Mike. I totally agree.

    I like the Hanselman article that LX07 pointed to, ALOT. It cleared up some misconceptions for me. You are right to point out the date on that article, however, and we should stay aware of that. No way of knowing from one day to next EVERYTHING that MS may or may have not changed in Windows 10.
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  2.    14 Jan 2016 #12
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    Why would you want/need to defrag an SSD anyway? Wasn't the whole point of defragging a hard drive to make the files continuous to reduce the head having to seek to non-contiguous sectors during reading a file? There is no head in an SSD to be doing the seeking.
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  3.    14 Jan 2016 #13
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    Thanks for the replies guys,

    To be clear, from what I've read, it seems the defrag is a process better matched to HDD, so I was talking about that as a thing of the past really. Although I have seen some talk about defrag, with my new M2 SSD system, I'm concentrating on optimise (garbage collection) and TRIM, and that's what I'm trying to get to the bottom of (preferably in layman's terms). Being non-technically minded I won't be trying to defrag it, so no worries there.
    Last edited by ouroboros72; 14 Jan 2016 at 16:07.
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  4.    14 Jan 2016 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Here you can read up about Trim and Garbage collection. It is bit more complicated than you thought.

    Garbage Collection and TRIM in SSDs Explained - An SSD Primer | The SSD Review

    And never defrag an SSD - unless you want to ruin it. Just make sure the SSD is aligned. Then you will be OK.

    SSD Alignment - Windows 7 Help Forums

    The first article is way too technical for me. Reading thru, I'm thinking the first thing I need to ask is, how do I check whether TRIM is already enabled. I'm wondering if this TRIM is something that might already be in operation on a new windows 10 OS, or is it something I'll likely need to set up?


    The second article has introduced a new term into the equation - alignment. It says windows 7 will do it automatically for you, so you don't need to worry and I'm hoping as I'm running an even newer OS (windows 10) that will also be the case. It isn't clear as the article only references older OS's. So the next question is, can I easily check if my drive is aligned, if it was done automatically at some stage?

    Also, is alignment something that only needs to be done once, or regularly?


    Tbh, even command prompts are out of my comfort zone!
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  5.    14 Jan 2016 #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldMike65 View Post
    Well you NEVER defrag any SSD for starters. 2nd the only command you can use for any SSD is the TRIM command.
    That other drive that shows you "never optimize" is a partition on your c-drive.....which is never optimized. This should answer your questions I hope

    Ok, that's good. So I'm hearing I don't need to worry about doing anything with regards the partition.

    It reminds me, when I was sorting out the recovery disk a while back, reading around, there was some talk about a potential 'partition' that could be deleted once the recovery disk was sorted, if there was a need to free up space. I wasn't sure what the partition was that was being talked about, and thought it might be the recovery disk D being referenced. In hindsight, perhaps it was this particular partition. I won't delete it anyway out of caution.
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  6.    14 Jan 2016 #16
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    if you don't mind guys, I'll try to state my remaining two queries more concisely.

    Firstly, should I change the 'optimise' setting to manual, rather than the default setting - automatic weekly, so I can be sure the process is being completed. (I'm reluctant to interfere with the standard setting unless it's quite prudent to do so).


    Secondly, is it definitely best to be having TRIM going on, as well as optimise (assuming they are separate things). If so, how do I check if it's already enabled, and if it isn't, how do I get to a situation where it's covered, as simply as possible.



    Obviously, I'm interested in the best possible longevity and performance of my SSD, but with no discernable technical skills whatsoever!
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  7.    14 Jan 2016 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by ouroboros72 View Post
    The first article is way too technical for me. Reading thru, I'm thinking the first thing I need to ask is, how do I check whether TRIM is already enabled. I'm wondering if this TRIM is something that might already be in operation on a new windows 10 OS, or is it something I'll likely need to set up?


    The second article has introduced a new term into the equation - alignment. It says windows 7 will do it automatically for you, so you don't need to worry and I'm hoping as I'm running an even newer OS (windows 10) that will also be the case. It isn't clear as the article only references older OS's. So the next question is, can I easily check if my drive is aligned, if it was done automatically at some stage?

    Also, is alignment something that only needs to be done once, or regularly?


    Tbh, even command prompts are out of my comfort zone!
    Windows will optimize your sdd using the TRIM option, so you are all set. You don't need to worry about any "alignment" its not really needed to do this, I never have and I have 2 computers with 2 different brands of SSD's running my Windows OS. They both run very fast with no problems. I think you will be just fine. Enjoy your NEW SSD, and don't worry so much.
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  8.    14 Jan 2016 #18
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    I finally took the SSD plunge yesterday. I have an old netbook (Acer Aspire One - like first generation) that my daughter wanted to use for college. It was slow as molasses and the only part not already maxed out was the HDD. Good sale on 120GB SSD at Best Buy, so connected it via USB adapter. Used MiniTool Partition Wizard to copy over HDD partitions to the SSD (resizing the Windows partition).

    Permanently installed the SSD in the netbook - no boot. Booted from Macrium Reflect Free USB, ran the fix Windows boot utility. Rebooted just fine into Windows 10 on the SSD. Checked reagentc /info and it was still enabled and pointed to the recovery partition. Ran SFC /SCANNOW and the Dism restorehealth. Neither one found errors.

    That's all I did. Didn't mess with any other Windows 10 settings, so I hope it switched over and is doing the proper built-in maintenance.
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  9.    14 Jan 2016 #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    I finally took the SSD plunge yesterday. I have an old netbook (Acer Aspire One - like first generation) that my daughter wanted to use for college. It was slow as molasses and the only part not already maxed out was the HDD. Good sale on 120GB SSD at Best Buy, so connected it via USB adapter. Used MiniTool Partition Wizard to copy over HDD partitions to the SSD (resizing the Windows partition).

    Permanently installed the SSD in the netbook - no boot. Booted from Macrium Reflect Free USB, ran the fix Windows boot utility. Rebooted just fine into Windows 10 on the SSD. Checked reagentc /info and it was still enabled and pointed to the recovery partition. Ran SFC /SCANNOW and the Dism restorehealth. Neither one found errors.

    That's all I did. Didn't mess with any other Windows 10 settings, so I hope it switched over and is doing the proper built-in maintenance.
    Why the heck did you wait sooooo long?? lol You are gonna love your new found speed!!!
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  10.    14 Jan 2016 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Word Man View Post
    Hi, ouroboros72.

    As long as Windows is correctly identifying the type of disk you have (SSD in your case) in the Optimize Drives GUI, you can optimize at any time by clicking the Optimize button. It will not normally optimize drives such as the "\\?\Volume(047c. " labeled one you mentioned. That drive would not normally see much write traffic and may not actually need it as much as the GUI leads you to believe . However, it MAY optimize by running "defrag /C /O" from an elevated (admin) command prompt..
    Ok, thanks that first part is certainly comforting to know. Re: the 'volume...' drive, it was just really because it is listed as being, 'never run' and says 'needs optimisation' in the current status column that made me wonder if some sort of action was required. Based on what you've said I think I'll just leave it alone.



    Note: 1) Neither of these methods will defragment an SSD, whether it be clicking "optimize" or the defrag command as specified. 2) I say the command line MAY optimize that one drive/partition because I've seen it work on mine before but it's not clear to me it will do it for each person's system - it was a try it and see result of my own.

    For reference see Brink's excellent tutorial here: Optimize and Defrag Drives in Windows 10 , especially "Option Two" regarding the command line method


    As I say, I'm not really actually looking to get into defragging the SSD as I think it may be beyond my ken and therefore risky. I will read thru the article though out of interest. Thanks.
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