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  1.    05 Jan 2016 #11
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    I received an email from Rollback RX company, this is what they said:

    "RollBack Rx will redirect incoming TRIM commands to other sectors to ensure the integrity of the software, and the data, is not compromised until fully available. It does not disable TRIM."

    What is everyone's thoughts on this?
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  2.    05 Jan 2016 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeremyah View Post
    I received an email from Rollback RX company, this is what they said:

    "RollBack Rx will redirect incoming TRIM commands to other sectors to ensure the integrity of the software, and the data, is not compromised until fully available. It does not disable TRIM."

    What is everyone's thoughts on this?
    Taken at face value, that sounds appropriate to me. However, I would also think one needs a means of knowing precisely how many sectors of an SSD are "in use" by Rollback on top of those in use (and as reported by ) Windows. I don't know if that means is conveniently available. I certainly wouldn't want Windows reporting the drive 30% full but find out that Rollback is using another 50%, significantly reducing the truly available sectors on the SSD to a level that may be problematic.
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  3.    05 Jan 2016 #13
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    I think you'd need to ask yourself for what reason this would be useful for you.

    Essentially it is doing a recovery by journal (and so tracking every change on disk) so that it can be rolled back to a specific point.

    There might be some specific cases when this was useful (if you wanted to repeatedly try something, roll-back to exactly the same point and try it again.)

    Some places I work we use something similar (on IBM i servers) but this for long running daily batch processes (that take 5h or more) so that in case of error you can roll-back just prior to an error and fix the database which (might) be quicker than restoring the backup you took before starting.

    Even then, and forgetting about disk utilization, you have to think is the performance overhead worth it? It is about 10% on IBM i where it is built into the OS and changes are more efficiently stored per defined object or database table. It is this fast as the duplicate write (once to the journal and then the "actual" write) are expected and there is hardware to deal with it (you will have your journal and database on different controllers using different disk arrays).

    For a PC, apart from in some very specific circumstances, I think no, it is not a good idea...
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  4.    05 Jan 2016 #14
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    I use Macrium Reflect, and I love it, works really well and does restore successfully each time.

    However, I was considering something like RollBack because I reasoned it would take a lot quicker to do a quick restore?

    And what you think about BackUpper? I think BackUpper free version does incremental backups/restores, but Macrium Reflect free doesn't?

    Best Free Backup Software for Windows 10, Windows 8.1/8, Windows 7, Vista, XP
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  5.    05 Jan 2016 #15
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    I use Macrium. It takes me 6 minutes to backup or restore my C drive which is good enough for me. Before I used Windows to make a system images but that was not on SSD so much slower and not really comparable.

    I know nothing about AOEMI Backuper I'm afraid. I'm sure it is OK.

    I wouldn't trust incremental backups - I don't see the point. It is added complexity for no benefit.

    If you are running more than one full backup a day then perhaps you should be thinking about another solution but less often than that it doesn't matter how fast it is. I backup probably once every week or two and restore more often than that but not generally every day.

    Changed documents I back up every hour with File History. That is enough for me - I almost never restore them back in any case.
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  6.    05 Jan 2016 #16
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    I agree with your reasoning lx07, so I have decided to stick with Macrium Reflect free and use that alone. It does everything I need
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  7.    06 Jan 2016 #17
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    The so called roll back programs are pretty much the same with backup software. They just make "roll backup" looks easier to use, like Easeus system goback is just one of the features of Easeus todo backup. I'd suggest to use a backup software for system restore.
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  8.    06 Jan 2016 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeremyah View Post
    I agree with your reasoning lx07, so I have decided to stick with Macrium Reflect free and use that alone. It does everything I need
    Free MR won't do incrementals but it will do differentials. The free version also can be run on a schedule. I know that $70 is a bit pricey for some folks but you can watch for 20-30% discount from time to time and you can usually always find a 10% discount coupon for it.

    I'm using paid MR and do what's called a Grandfather-Father-Son rolling backup schedule. Every day at 4AM, I take an incremental, except on Saturdays, it's a differential and once a month it's a full backup. I retain the incrementals for 21 days and the differentials for 13 weeks - I haven't needed to delete any full backups yet. These all are taken via WiFi from my laptop to a desktop USB connected to my old XP desktop. The incrementals are automatically consolidated with the next day's incremental after 21 days age and the differentials are deleted automatically after 13 weeks.

    Another good feature you pick up with the paid version are Rapid Delta Restores, where a restore is quite fast as it only restores sectors that have changed since that backup.

    That's enough "rollback" like for me.
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