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  1.    31 Dec 2015 #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by wags1 View Post
    I am guessing that it was ether the installation of new software or a driver install since I did both yesterday. Seriously , there must be some way to turn it off so it doesn't come back on again...
    I don't see how. You could write a powershell script that does this that would turn it off and on all day long...

    Disable-ComputerRestore -drive "C:"
    Enable-ComputerRestore -drive "C:"
    Disable-ComputerRestore -drive "C:"
    Enable-ComputerRestore -drive "C:"
    etc etc


    What do you want to do? Stop the ability for this to work? What if I write a program (or installer) that includes enabling it for some reason? Even if that reason is wrong?

    You could block access to the registry key (but this may make the installer or program fail) or you could submit a job to run every log-on (or every 5 minutes) to disable it no matter what.

    Actually I have a manual powershell script I run after every upgrade and one of the lines is
    Disable-ComputerRestore -drive "C:"

    I don't think even theoretically you can get around it in an elegant manner.
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  2.    31 Dec 2015 #22
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    What I want to do is turn off system restore and not have it turned on again without me doing it. Sorry but I thought that I was clear. I turn it off using the menu and confirm that it is off. I don't expect it to be turned back on unless I go back into the menu and turn it back on. Apparently it is getting turned back on by either driver or program installations. I haven't determined how or why it is getting turned back on.
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  3.    31 Dec 2015 #23
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    In a safe way you can't because you can't know how other programs would react to a failure.

    Schedule a task to disable it every log on or day or whatever.
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  4.    31 Dec 2015 #24
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    Sorry, I don't really understand that logic. Take a look at my OP, I have daily backups. I don't need or want system restore/protection on. Why have a menu that "supposedly" turns it off (actually it says "disable system protection") if it won't stay off until I turn it back on?
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  5.    31 Dec 2015 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by wags1 View Post
    Sorry, I don't really understand that logic. Take a look at my OP, I have daily backups. I don't need or want system restore/protection on. Why have a menu that "supposedly" turns it off (actually it says "disable system protection") if it won't stay off until I turn it back on?
    I really think you haven't understood. Unless you disable ANYTHING from turning system protection on or off then you haven't solved your problem.

    The only way you could get what you want is if Macrium (but not any other software) was allowed to override Microsoft security. Obviously that will never happen.

    You need to decide who you'd like to complain to then - IMO Microsoft shouldn't do anything about it and Macrium can't. I doubt you'll have much luck arguing your case with either company but you never know.

    If it stays as it is anything you install (or any program you run as admin) may change it and you have to live with that.

    It is trivial to change it anyway (and as MS keeps changing the default it is something many people do)
    Last edited by lx07; 31 Dec 2015 at 19:53. Reason: as admin
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  6.    31 Dec 2015 #26
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    Macrium has nothing to do with system restore. It doesn't need or use it. Macrium Reflect is backup/image software. Because I use Macrium Reflect to take daily system images/backups I do not want or need Windows system restore on. I'm just trying to find a way to turn it off so it doesn't come back on unless I turn it back on. I'm not complaining. It just doesn't make sense to me to have a menu that "supposedly" allows you to "disable" system restore....but it's not really "disabled" apparently. It is apparently only disabled until some program decides to turn it back on...without the user aware of it. Maybe that is the way it is supposed to work, but it certainly seems strange to me. Might as well not have a disable menu selection at all.
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  7.    31 Dec 2015 #27
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    Macrium does indeed uses VSS (see Macrium Support Forum - VSS)

    VSS is the Volume Shadow copy Service which allows you to take a snapshot which can be backed up while further changes are made.

    If it didn't you could only use macrium when booted outside of windows (I do that actually - I like and use Macrium but have never installed it).

    I suppose in this case Macrium should check if system restore is turned off and if it is turn it off again when it has finished (which the link above says it should do).


    Quote Originally Posted by wags1 View Post
    It is apparently only disabled until some program decides to turn it back on...without the user aware of it. Maybe that is the way it is supposed to work, but it certainly seems strange to me. Might as well not have a disable menu selection at all.
    Well, yes. The point is you are turning it off unless another program changes it. Or a Microsoft upgrade changes it (normally seems to turn it off).

    I think you are right - it isn't exactly set in stone.
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  8.    31 Dec 2015 #28
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    While Macrium does use VSS I don't think system restore has to be enabled for VSS. As an example, I have Macrium set to run daily. When I use the menu to disable system restore sometimes is stays off for many days. So I don't think the status of system restore ( on or off) has anything to do with VSS.
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  9.    31 Dec 2015 #29
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    Does the 'DisableSystemRestoreConfig' reg tweak work or is it just to prevent users from changing settings?
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  10.    01 Jan 2016 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by wags1 View Post
    What I want to do is turn off system restore and not have it turned on again without me doing it. Sorry but I thought that I was clear. I turn it off using the menu and confirm that it is off. I don't expect it to be turned back on unless I go back into the menu and turn it back on. Apparently it is getting turned back on by either driver or program installations. I haven't determined how or why it is getting turned back on.
    Windows Update creates Restore Points for Updates, so that is presumably when it gets turned back on, so that a Restore Point can be created for you to go back to if necessary.

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