Which computer should be better

Yeah Haswell is still a beast i would pick that computer out of any of the three if i had a choice. z97 and 4.4ghz on a cpu that has all the modern sets. Still good for gaming too.

it really shows in that image the disservice that Microsoft is doing to consumers with planned obsclenece. Imo trusted computing and all this AI bs should be optional.

Yeah it can go un offically to 11 but when you read the disclaimers i personally wouldn't risk it imo they could push a payload and fry the computer if they wanted to be crumby. None of my legacy computers will be going to 11.

Haswell is a collectors item now too.

i tried core 2 on 11 a good while ago it works but its pretty slow like 10 minutes to boot and that is on SSD. Of course it wont work into the future.

idk these thing but they way i see it this is the first time we are seeing the obtrusive line in the sand. i think it should be discerned with discretion. Like at your own risk if that is what you want to do.

I cannot recall any other time in windows history where we have had this occurrence. Either your computer was fast enough or it wasn't but there was no real line that stopped you updating like we are now seeing with 11.

Malneb said:

Yeah Haswell is still a beast i would pick that computer out of any of the three if i had a choice. z97 and 4.4ghz on a cpu that has all the modern sets. Still good for gaming too.

it really shows in that image the disservice that Microsoft is doing to consumers with planned obsclenece. Imo trusted computing and all this AI bs should be optional.

Yeah it can go un offically to 11 but when you read the disclaimers i personally wouldn't risk it imo they could push a payload and fry the computer if they wanted to be crumby.

Haswell is a collectors item now too.

i tried core 2 on 11 a good while ago it works but its pretty slow like 10 minutes to boot and that is on SSD

I have enough supported devices for W11, but I also have a test machine with a 1st gen core i5 that has been running W11 quite well (on an SSD) since the initial launch and is now on 23H2. It's even been running the Insider Canary builds of 24H2 as native boot vhdx. It's fast enough for most purposes, but Feature Updates (a near-weekly event for Insiders) can be very slooow.

I am typing on a 1st gen now which i am considering putting 11 on but i don't want to risk it dying. idk when they say stuff like we are not responsible for any damages to unsupported systems then that says a lot to me.
To me that means that if they push an update and then all of a sudden your computer won't turn on then they already warned you.

I have 20 or so of these in different versions because i like this platform but i still don't want to lose any.

I have other computers that can go to 11 but eh i am thinking of ditching windows, i will probably just stick with 10 for apps that i need here until it becomes to depreciated. Then i will eventually go to 11.

I do a lot of gaming so my main pc will have to go to 11 or linux because steam will end support at EOL of 10 so that means you get locked out of your games.

GerryPeters said:

I found my product key it was for Win 8 Pro upgrade for $99 back in 2015. When Win 10 came out they encouraged us all to upgrade for free, which I did. Win 8 Pro to Win 10 Pro. I tried that product key in the Win 11 computer and it said it was not a valid key and to select Troubleshooting if I thought it was. So I'm not sure if I should proceed or just do a clean install of Win 8 Pro and upgrade to Win 10 Pro. I really don't need Win 11. I'd only use this for email and browsing

They stopped that upgrade path and many others. You are on 10 now so you upgrade that way.

Malneb said:

there was no real line that stopped you updating like we are now seeing with 11.

Yes there was.
There were computer models that could not update to Windows 10 Version 1803 or any later versions, just for example.


Denis

GerryPeters said:

Since I really need to do a clean install on this laptop anyway

Is your Windows 10 activated with a digital licence?
Settings, Updates, Activation
If so, you will not need any product key to reinstall the same Windows 10 Edition [Home, Pro] because MS activation servers already have a Windows 10 activation record for your computer.


Denis

Try3 said:

Yes there was.
There were computer models that could not update to Windows 10 Version 1803 or any later versions, just for example.


Denis

Simply not the case minimum specs for 10 is 1ghz processor and 1gb of ram. There is no hard line where Microsoft said from this generation back not eligible.

Windows 11 is the first time we are seeing the requirement.

Base Core and Core 2 duo are becoming undesirable well they are past undesirable except for very minute tasks but nothing stopping them going to 10.
netburst Pentium 4 can go to 10 as well but also less desirable anything before this like slot series Pentium or ix86 variants or even earlier 8086 are not even in use outside of enthusiasts but then we are talking about computer 30, 40 and 50 years old at that point.

The case is that 11 is bringing a hard line where many generations since gen 1 are still widely used today by consumers and basically gutting roughly 50% or more of the generations out of the running.

That 4th gen haswell is still plenty of computer. On paper it does not stack comparing to new parts on a bench but realistically its still pretty powerful computer with the right parts and settings.