Which computer should be better

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  1. Posts : 31,681
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #41

    Malneb said:
    I am typing on a 1st gen now which i am considering putting 11 on but i don't want to risk it dying. idk when they say stuff like we are not responsible for any damages to unsupported systems then that says a lot to me.
    To me that means that if they push an update and then all of a sudden your computer won't turn on then they already warned you.....
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    Malneb said:
    ....The case is that 11 is bringing a hard line where many generations since gen 1 are still widely used today by consumers and basically gutting roughly 50% or more of the generations out of the running....
    I'm typing this on a 1st gen Intel Core i5 too, a 14 year old laptop that's been running Windows 11 without issues since October 2021 - and is currently on the Insider Canary build of 24H2.
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  2. Posts : 299
    Win 10
    Thread Starter
       #42

    I went to MS and they said the same thing, I can only use the 8.1 Pro license on the present main computer I'm using, not on the laptop. So I tried Teamviewer unattended and man it works perfectly. Once I chose Full screen it's like I'm on that computer. In one way it's better than Remote Desktop that upper screen doesn't have the Remote Desktop border at the top. ON Full screen there's no additional border just the Laptop.

    The Laptop works so much better on the Email even with 4 Gigs of Ram. ON my XP computer that Teamviewer didn't seem to be compatible even with the old version for XP I just used Remote Desktop to go to my Q9 computer and it has Teamviewer open to the Laptop so I can use email. Thanks everyone
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  3. Posts : 315
    Windows 10
       #43

    GerryPeters said:
    DESKTOP Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9450 @ 2.66GHz 2.67 GHz
    6 GIG RAM
    WIN 10

    LAPTOP acer Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-8145U CPU @ 2.10GHz 2.30 GHz
    4 GIG RAM
    WIN 11
    Whatever mail program/app you are using is configured specifically for the i series.
    Even the Windows 10 is probably not properly configured for that 2008 processor,
    despite it's ability to function. The Windows 11 might also have various fixes and upgrades
    that is allowing it to function better. Finally I have no idea what else is running on both these
    OS or the state of repair these machines are in. Without those variables the only recourse would
    be to swap installs ( the drives ) and boot the OS and see if the program/app will function the same
    way, but of course that would probably have to be after a reboot and if the proper drivers are installed.

    .................................................................................................... .........................................

    The Core 2 Duo is a 2008 processor v.
    The i3 which is 2018.

    The Core 2 have more "Cores" and thus having any program/app from that era which could "actually utilize" the multiple cores at once will be faster no matter what the i3 can do. However using most ( if not any ) recent programs/apps That have no idea what to do with those extra processors will slack.

    The i-series ( in my opinion would be i7 and up which even the i9 is "dated" ) have a completely architecture then the regular run of the mill processor. Especially one from 2008 ( when the Power-macs and DELLS burnt 90W on each processor idling ).

    You could test this by running a couple of late gen ( recent ) Unity games. Later Unity will not function properly because of the architecture needed is "missing in action" ( not even invented yet or presented if invented ). Those later Unity games will not run. I am not sure about Unreal but might have the same results depending on which version of Unreal is used. Many Unreal games that could still run on earlier processors are using the U4 engine and proper programming.

    ......................

    You take the version of the matching program of that era ( like a video editing program ) of each processor and a good chance the 2008 processor can beat out the 2018 because the program can see and utilizes all cores. However you take that same program from 2018 and put it on that processor a good chance it will not even utilize or see all the cores and will be sluggish. Vice-versa the results will be more or less the same.

    On paper your 2008 processor is more powerful then your 2018 but in reality with poor-programming-practices, or even the architect not even being presented in the compiler it will not yield those results.

    Core 2 Duo are not i series, even i series are not even i series. All of these are dated in comparison to newer processors. This is why you have i series ( like the i9 ) being sold in mini-computers. We all might have 64 Gigs of ram but now there are boards that features faster ram going into 256-512 Gigs. Can make you think about Pokemon glitched out levels and MISSINGNO. and the reality of the "future of computers".

    This is why a GPU that is being marketed at $9000 is able to do M.L ( Machine Learning AKA A.I. ) because they are comparing processing power to be used while other resources are being used not including bit-coin mining.

    ...........................

    If you wanted to really test out the power of your Core 2 Duo, try using the "Set Affinity" option within Task manager ( or whatever setting location that is ). With "Set Affinity" you can assign a task to always use that specific processor. Thus freeing
    up resources from the first CPU-Core.

    Most of the time your windows will automatically use the first core for just about everything, unless it is instructed to use another core. This way you would be able to take stress of that specific core. However I am not sure about things like wattage
    or heat "movement", because you will be utilizing another core.

    Try using the set affinity on your mail/app program or even other processes within Windows 10 on your Core Duo.
    Your machine has cores your operating system, programs, and even applications have no idea what to do with at all.
    In a perfect scenario all cores would be utilized at the same time allowing your machine to run cooler and smoother as
    with the Apple Trashcan computer. That is the true power of multiple cores.
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  4. Posts : 1,211
    Windows 10
       #44

    The core 2 quad is way slower its not even up for debate. The cores and the clock speed are irrelevant.

    - No hyper threading which did not come until 1st gen for consumers.
    - it still utilizes FSB at 1333 MHz
    - it only has x64 instructions no SSE or MMX

    The i3 has all that without FSB because it has QPI which is drastically faster and all the extended instructions which came after 4th gen.

    The core 2 quad is cut as mentioned earlier by Bree, soon it won't be allowed past a certain revision. Regardless of what you do to install windows 11.

    Windows 7 is peak for core 2 imo but you can get away with windows 10. I just think windows 7 is the sweat spot fore core 2 well XP is best for it but 7 is less depreciated.
    Windows 11 its pretty slow it takes like several minutes to boot but is not to bad once it loads up.
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