My neighbour has a brand Dell Inspiron 3471 desktop:-
Intel® Pentium® Gold Processor G5420 (4M Cache, up to 3.8 GHz) , I think 4gb RAM
It's spec is bad, but he's a pensioner, so short on money
I was thinking about putting a SSD in it, 480Gb and another 4gb RAM, I think it's got 2 slots. Is there much difference in SSD's that he will notice, do I go for something well known such as crucial or one of the cheaper ones? How do I know if I can plug one into the motherboard, do I have to take the lid off and hunt around for the slot or are there tools that do that for me? Are the plug in SSD's any quicker?
I'm quite happy with making an Image and putting it on the SSD.
If it already has a smallish SSD and a HDD that should be quite enough for basic needs. The major benefit of a SSD for basic usage is boot time - so does that really matter?
Computer Type: Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number: PC Specialist custom laptop Cosmos IV OS: Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2) CPU: i3 Dual Core Processor i3-6100H Memory: 16GB HyperX IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 940M Monitor(s) Displays: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen Screen Resolution: 1920x1080 Hard Drives: 256GB SAMSUNG SM951 M.2
1TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE Internet Speed: 38MB/s Browser: Firefox, Chrome Antivirus: Avast
It's currently got a standard 1tb hard drive, no SSD
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I've attached a speccy file and a file from Crucial, I was thinking 8gb RAM , guess I'll have to take the 4gb out that is in ther at the momment as it won't match speed. either a 240gb SSD or 480 / 500< i think 240 might be a bit tight, although he doesn't save anything
Last edited by stevec59; 25 May 2022 at 05:27.
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I would start by checking that
a. about 3 mins after logging in, task manager shows minimal resource usage.
- if not, resolve the issue.
b. in what ways is this reported or seen as being slow?
c. check boot time- expect up to 3.5 mins to lock screen with a HDD.
Do routine checks e.g.
- check the disk (3rd party program e.g. Hard Disk Sentinel, excellent; Crystal Diskinfo (free)
- run
chkdsk c: /scan
from an admin command prompt
- similarly run
SFC /SCANNOW
Check these pass- do not continue if one fails.
Then decide if an SSD is actually likely to be a benefit.
(The 1Tb drive could be put in a caddy and used as a backup drive e.g. for regular image files).
Computer Type: Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number: PC Specialist custom laptop Cosmos IV OS: Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2) CPU: i3 Dual Core Processor i3-6100H Memory: 16GB HyperX IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 940M Monitor(s) Displays: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen Screen Resolution: 1920x1080 Hard Drives: 256GB SAMSUNG SM951 M.2
1TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE Internet Speed: 38MB/s Browser: Firefox, Chrome Antivirus: Avast
He likes Webroot, no idea that and Kaspersky Cloud was installed, how do I remove it?
I didn't even know that Defender was dpimng anything, I thought webrootwas, or keep Defender as well, how do I check Defender updates?
The main thing is that the HDD is always clonking along, grabbing 100% resouces see attached PNG.
I'm uninstalling the Epson software as he now has a HP, but I don't think that will make a lot of odds.
I've installed 'Deffraggler' for him, he runs that quite often, it helps a bit.
Thanks,
The main thing is that the HDD is always clonking along, grabbing 100% resouces see attached PNG.
Ahh.. now THAT's the problem you need to resolve- and when resolved- you'll get far better performance.
** Note how RAM is almost full. I'm guessing the machine is continually paging things in and out of RAM.
First: try to get control.
How much free space doesn it have on C: ?
Then- are page file settings as default?
Then perform a clean boot (Google or see tutorial if unsure how). Less should be loaded on startup- so maybe RAM usage will be less.
Then see what the disk usage is.
Then note how much RAM is being used. Then which processes are responsible for that disk usage.
Go from there.
And of course, 8Gb of RAM should help!
Uninstall 3rd party security- research as necessary.
I.e. minimise what's running, uninstalling unneeded items as necessary and as indicated by the task manager as using a lot of RAM or a lot of disk I/O so you reach a point where resource usage is minimal after logging in.
Computer Type: Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number: PC Specialist custom laptop Cosmos IV OS: Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2) CPU: i3 Dual Core Processor i3-6100H Memory: 16GB HyperX IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 940M Monitor(s) Displays: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen Screen Resolution: 1920x1080 Hard Drives: 256GB SAMSUNG SM951 M.2
1TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE Internet Speed: 38MB/s Browser: Firefox, Chrome Antivirus: Avast
Although Crucial gives you so many choices I would just go for 16 GB a kit of 2 at 2400 MHz, no point in going to higher speed as even the current Memory Module is being used at a lower 2400 MHz JEDEC profile. A kit of 2 should ensure dual channel usage which is slightly better.
16 GB for the simple reason that it will be enough for the life of the PC.
The specs of the CPU state 2400 MHz. I presume the Dell hardware/UEFI allows higher, I have no idea.
The iGPU video RAM is taken from the main RAM, so a GB or 2 on occasion maybe used.
There seems to be elements of McAfee which may have been from a trial version installed on purchase of PC, needs the McAfee MCPR product removal tool.
In short, cleanup and get back to using Windows Defender as a starting point which costs nothing extra.
"The main thing is that the HDD is always clonking along, grabbing 100% resouces"
Again more software servicing needs to be done, nonsense/trivial stuff running in the background etc.
Start by using the Task Manager and sorting columns appropriately.
"I'm uninstalling the Epson software as he now has a HP, but I don't think that will make a lot of odds."
Good, and you are right it won't make any difference, but at least it cleans up a bit.
3)HDD/SSD, way down in importance for a PC that seems to be used quite infrequently and the HDD appears to be good.
"I've installed 'Deffraggler' for him"
Waste of time as Windows schedules a defrag anyway.
I would just install another 4 G, Same brand and same code. He will never use the 8G unless he play games or use graphics programs (Autocad, Photoshop etc)
To find the current memory specs, use HWinfo
A SSD is the best improvement you can do for a computer.
As it already have a HDD that you can use for data, you can use small (128G) SSD for windows and programs.
Have used a Leven JS-600. So far so good
As already mentioned, remove all other security leaving on only Defender
Computer Type: PC/Desktop System Manufacturer/Model Number: custom build OS: Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu CPU: i5 6600K - 800MHz to 4200MHz Motherboard: GA-Z170-HD3P Memory: 4+4G GSkill DDR4 3000 Graphics Card: IG - Intel 530 Monitor(s) Displays: Samsung 226BW Screen Resolution: 1680x1050 Keyboard: Old and good Chicony mechanical keyboard Mouse: Logitech mX performance - 9 buttons (had to disable some) PSU: Thermaltake 450W TR2 gold Hard Drives: (1) -1 SM951 – 128GB M.2 AHCI PCIe SSD drive for Windows 11
(2) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for Data
(3) -1 WD SATA 3 - 1T for backup
(4) -1 BX500 SSD - 256G for Win 7 and Lubuntu Internet Speed: 500 Mb/s Browser: Firefox 64
Computer Type: Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number: Asus Q550LF OS: Windows 7 Pro CPU: i7-4500U 800- 3000MHz Motherboard: Asus Q550LF Memory: (4+4)G DDR3 1600 Graphics Card: IG intel 4400 + NVIDIA GeForce GT 745M Sound Card: Realtek Monitor(s) Displays: LG Display LP156WF4-SPH1 Screen Resolution: 1920 x 1080 Hard Drives: BX500 120G SSD for Windows and programs
1T HDD for data Internet Speed: 500 Mb/s Browser: Firefox 64
Thanks everyone. dalchina
HDD, Free space 839gb, 75gb used.
Couldn't find out how the page file was, default or otherwise, just couldn't find out how to check, it used to be easy, does the attached DESKTOP-6NJFMMP-may2022 tell use anything?
Tried a clean boot following https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...a-a97a1807f3dd
Now on reboot it says there is no Pin set, if I try to set one, it tries to open the Microsoft store, even though I'm not logged in, and loops around, if I do forgotten password, ten same thing, so at the moment I can't log in. How do I fix that.
I guess one option would be new SSD and OEM win 10 Install, I'm sure I've got an ISO somewhere, just hope he knows all his passwords, but he doesn't do that much, and more RAM whilst were at it
- but I'm not sure that will help here.
(Do you know the password?)
Page file (FWIW):
Couldn't find out how the page file was, default or otherwise, just couldn't find out how to check
- which won't help you now of course..
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I hope you're keeping your neighbour informed and please discuss steps with your neighbour so you agree the way forward- and risks/significance.
Clean install:
** if you are clean installing to a new disk, fine.
If not, as it's someone else's PC, then so you can rescue anything off it as you will otherwise be deleting all the partitions on the system disk fo rthe clean install- first create a disk image of at least C: and any data partition- boot the PC from the disk imaging program's bootable disk- external disk for image file needed. E.g. Macrium Reflect (free).
To consider: license codes for any installed programs need to be known or rescued.
Data: emails etc (if on PC); browser favourites; site login passwords; personal data...
I guess one option would be new SSD and OEM win 10 Install, I'm sure I've got an ISO somewhere,
Create a bootable flash to install Win 10 - don't use an out of date iso file from which you'd have to (correctly) create a bootable disk.
Tutorials:
- like the clean boot tutorial are available from the searchable Tutorial section... Clean Install Windows 10
Computer Type: Laptop System Manufacturer/Model Number: PC Specialist custom laptop Cosmos IV OS: Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2) CPU: i3 Dual Core Processor i3-6100H Memory: 16GB HyperX IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 940M Monitor(s) Displays: 15.6" Matte Full HD IPS LED Widescreen Screen Resolution: 1920x1080 Hard Drives: 256GB SAMSUNG SM951 M.2
1TB SERIAL ATA II 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE Internet Speed: 38MB/s Browser: Firefox, Chrome Antivirus: Avast
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