Booting from m.2 drive is much slower than it should be

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  1. Posts : 6
    Windows 10
       #1

    Booting from m.2 drive is much slower than it should be


    Hello everyone,

    A few months ago I installed a new m.2 SSD to which I moved my Windows 10 installation. At first it booted up very quickly (within just a few seconds). Now, however, booting takes 2 minutes or longer.

    I have searched around and found this thread: Boot Time painfully slow on WD m.2 SSD Drive

    I followed the instructions by bro67 to run a boot trace, and I have tried to look at the resulting file, but I am having a difficult time analyzing all of this data and was hoping someone here might be able to help me out.

    Here is the file: Download - TransferNow

    Thank you very much in advance for any help you may be able to provide!
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  2. Posts : 42,919
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, only @zinou here is proficient with the Windows Performance and Analyser tool. Inspection of such things and advice on taking appropriate traces is somewhat time consuming. Noted that's a 434Mb file valid for 6 days from 14th.
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  3. Posts : 6
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #3

    dalchina said:
    Hi, only @zinou here is proficient with the Windows Performance and Analyser tool. Inspection of such things and advice on taking appropriate traces is somewhat time consuming. Noted that's a 434Mb file valid for 6 days from 14th.
    Fair enough, thanks for the response. I guess I was hoping that someone would know which part of the data contains the stuff that zinou pointed out in the thread I linked. Just to point me in the right direction. As it stands I can't find any "DeviceStart" tasks for example.
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  4. Posts : 2,188
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #4

    Your computer is never going to boot as fast as it did when you first installed Windows. It will boot slower and slower as Windows is updated, more software is installed and updated, etc. You could also delete any quick launch apps off the taskbar and reduce the items in the startup to a minimum. You have to decide what is important to you. The question is how fast given current circumstances should your computer boot. The problem is you could reduce the time now and be right back to where you were a few months from now.

    I checked my boot time and noticed it had gone up some. I ran Disk Cleanup and deleted the files in: C:\Users\<YourUserName>\AppData\Local\Temp. My boot time is now 108 seconds where before it was 130 seconds. I am not going to waste any more time trying to do better.

    I loaded your etl file and saw that your total boot time was 111 seconds. How fast is acceptable to you?
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  5. Posts : 6
    Windows 10
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    MisterEd said:
    Your computer is never going to boot as fast as it did when you first installed Windows. It will boot slower and slower as Windows is updated, more software is installed and updated, etc. You could also delete any quick launch apps off the taskbar and reduce the items in the startup to a minimum. You have to decide what is important to you. The question is how fast given current circumstances should your computer boot. The problem is you could reduce the time now and be right back to where you were a few months from now.

    I checked my boot time and noticed it had gone up some. I ran Disk Cleanup and deleted the files in: C:\Users\<YourUserName>\AppData\Local\Temp. My boot time is now 108 seconds where before it was 130 seconds. I am not going to waste any more time trying to do better.

    I loaded your etl file and saw that your total boot time was 111 seconds. How fast is acceptable to you?
    Thank you for your reply.

    From my research, most people who have their copy of Windows on a m.2 SSD have boot times under 20 seconds, so that's what I am aiming for.
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  6. Posts : 2,188
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit v22H2
       #6

    Jexton said:
    Thank you for your reply.

    From my research, most people who have their copy of Windows on a m.2 SSD have boot times under 20 seconds, so that's what I am aiming for.
    I have seen those claims also. I suspect the 20 second boot times are one of
    1. New install of Windows 10
    2. Existing install of Windows 10 in an optimized system

    Optimizations include:
    1. Only one drive in system
    2. Startup items reduced to minimum
    3. No Quick Launch apps
    4. Disk Cleanup and temp folders cleaned up

    Of course, the only way to know for sure is for someone with a 20 second boot time to come forward and say what they did to get such a fast boot. Otherwise, we are only guessing.

    None of my computers boot anywhere near that fast. I have two desktop and two laptop computers. The computer that boots the fastest is my 4 year old desktop. It has an AMD Ryzen 7 1700X CPU. It also has an XPG SX8200 Pro M.2 NVME SSD (2TB) boot drive and an Intel 660P M.2 NVME SSD (2TB) data drive. After running Disk Cleanup and cleaning up the Temp folder it takes 76 seconds to boot.
    Last edited by MisterEd; 14 Jul 2021 at 18:28.
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  7. Posts : 42,919
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #7

    booting takes 2 minutes or longer.
    Could I check- do you mean from a cold boot to lock screen?

    This PC has never had a clean install since I got it with a clean installed Win 10. That was build 1803 I think. Lenovo Thinkpad t440s with a SATA SSD.

    Cold boot time to lock screen is 9-10s.
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  8. Posts : 6
    Windows 10
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       #8

    dalchina said:
    Could I check- do you mean from a cold boot to lock screen?

    This PC has never had a clean install since I got it with a clean installed Win 10. That was build 1803 I think. Lenovo Thinkpad t440s with a SATA SSD.

    Cold boot time to lock screen is 9-10s.
    Yes, that's correct. From the time I push the power button until the login screen is reached.

    The PC booted up much faster before when my Windows installation was on a SATA SSD, which makes me think there is something going wrong here (since it should be even faster on an m.2 drive).
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  9. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
       #9

    The difference in start up time between a SATA and an NVME drive is negligible at best. M.2 is a connection, you can use an SSD and/ or an NVME with M.2 (there are other types of M.2 connector with different key arrangements such as E-keyed for wireless adapters), SATA and NVME are communication protocols, SATA tends to top out at realistically 540'ish MBs per second, NVME can go as high as I believe 7 - 8 GBs per second on Gen 4.
    So if your M.2 drive is SATA not NVME your boot time should be similar to before, if it is NVME you may notice a few (1 - 3 maybe) seconds faster boot (the fuller an SSD drive gets the slower it will perform due to the way SSDs work).
    My system with an i5- 8400 and an Intel 512GB QLC 660p NVME boot drive averages 8s from button to desktop, it is not a new or highly optimised install of Windows (although 21h1 does seem a little bit quicker to desktop), the only things I have done are to disable fast boot and hibernation and turned off background apps and start up apps.
    A boot time of 2 minutes from an SSD (SATA 2.5", SATA or NVME M.2) seems wrong, it may be that your BIOS is detecting other devices that are slowing down the boot time, slower spinning HDDs, external drives plugged in etc, try disabling any unnecessary options in the BIOS, unplugging any non essential external devices. Also check that you are using AHCI for disk controllers in the BIOS, see if there is a specific manufacturers driver for your SSD.
    You could also use an app like CrystalDiskInfo to check the drives state.
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  10. Posts : 6
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
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    Pejole2165 said:
    A boot time of 2 minutes from an SSD (SATA 2.5", SATA or NVME M.2) seems wrong, it may be that your BIOS is detecting other devices that are slowing down the boot time, slower spinning HDDs, external drives plugged in etc, try disabling any unnecessary options in the BIOS, unplugging any non essential external devices. Also check that you are using AHCI for disk controllers in the BIOS, see if there is a specific manufacturers driver for your SSD.
    Thank you for your reply. Yes, I suspect the issue is one of the things you've mentioned, which is why I posted my boot trace file in the hopes that someone might be able to point me to where in the file I might find some information that leads me to the source of the issue. I didn't realize that there is really only one user around here who looks at such files.

    I will try the software you mentioned. Thank you again!
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