Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance

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  1. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
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    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance


    I have just done the in-place upgrade from Win7 Home to Win10 Home (version 21H1) using the Media Creation Tool and Brink's excellent tutorial, on my Samsung RF511 laptop. I was nervous not only because I didn't want to lose data or apps, but also because this laptop dual boots with Linux Mint.

    The good news is that it seems to have worked reasonably well. I only had to uninstall a couple of apps, and I've lost Bluetooth capability - and MCT warned me that the Samsung OEM Recovery program would no longer function (presumably it was set up to reinstate the original Win7 configuration from a hidden partition).

    But..... the bad news is that Win10 now boots up with the speed of a striking snail. Significantly and painfully slower than Win7 on this laptop.

    The basics of this Samsung RF511 are 8GB RAM, an Intel Core i5 2.50GHz CPU, and a 750GB (spinning) hard disk drive. I don't have any heavyweight graphics or gaming programs installed - aside from browser and music/video player, I only have photo-viewer/editor and a few simple utilities like Macrium, and there is not a lot of heavyweight data or files of any kind on the laptop. I uninstalled antivirus (MalwareBytes and SuperAntiSpyware) before the upgrade.

    In terms of boot-up, it takes 2 minutes from power-on to the appearance of the login/password screen, with a black screen and a brief show of the rotating dots. After password entry, it then takes a further 1 min 15 sec to 1 min 30 sec, with more rotating dots, for the normal background screen to configure and the taskbar and menu to become active. I cannot say precisely how long Win7 took to go through the same process on this machine, but I'd say it was no more than 30 secs, and certainly well under a minute from power-on to full operation.

    It's early days, but my impression is also that the system is very slow to respond to any 'click' on the menu or any icon or shortcut. It feels like wading through treacle.

    So how do I address this? A forum search lists over 8,000 other posts about slow boot-up in Win10, and hundreds of different approaches to troubleshooting, analysis and solutions. I need help in narrowing down what to do.

    Of course the glib answer is "replace the HDD with an SSD" or "do a clean reinstall" (and hope that improves matters). Or maybe a Repair Install (I've just read that tutorial) now that I have Win10 in place. But it seems to me important first to diagnose and identify what's causing the sluggish behaviour. It's not just slow 'performance' once the computer is up and running: it is very slow from the first push of the power button, and there's obviously a lot going on before anything appears on screen.

    What I'd appreciate is a systematic sequence of steps or checks that I can do to analyse and nail down the cause(s) of the problem, rather than a "do this and see if it helps" strategy. But all suggestions gratefully received.
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  2. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, you have a HDD so ensure that Fast Startup is enabled (noting this can cause difficulties with some drivers in a few cases). Should be enabled by default.

    Fast Startup is a Windows 10 feature designed to reduce the time it takes for the computer to boot up from being fully shut down. However, it prevents the computer from performing a regular shutdown and can cause compatibility issues with devices that do not support sleep mode or hibernation
    Cold boot to lock screen with a HDD can easily be 1.5-2 mins.

    An analytical approach requires, as you may well have seen from the many posts, the use of MS's Windows Performance Analyser and Recorder (feel free to search tenforums for examples of use). Requires some experience to be effective.

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    It's early days, but my impression is also that the system is very slow to respond to any 'click' on the menu or any icon or shortcut. It feels like wading through treacle.
    This is a different matter.

    Please post a screenshot of your task manager, Processes view about 3 mins after logging in with nothing manually launched. Organise any columns of interest high to low by clicking on the appopriate column header.

    Then perform a clean boot (Google or see tutorial if unsure how).

    Repeat the screenshot.

    How much free space do you have on C: ?

    (E.g. this is a 7 yr old laptop with a SSD bought second hand clean installed about 5 years ago, and never clean installed since. Performance is fine).
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  3. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Hello @dalchina - thanks for those suggestions. Here's a response on the latter set of points.

    Task Manager screenshot is this... (just the top part of a long list, ranked high-low by memory-usage column).

    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance-screenshot-1-.png

    My HDD has several partitions (as it's dual booted with Linux). The C: drive on which Win10 is installed is 201GB, and there's 32.6 GB free.... which seems to me quite full. But I wonder - is that because the "old" Windows files from the upgrade I did yesterday are still being saved and stored?

    Meanwhile I will research the Windows Performance Analyser and Recorder, with which I'm not familiar.
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    Last edited by br1anstorm; 03 Jun 2021 at 06:32. Reason: change attached screenshot
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  4. Posts : 1,777
    Windows 11 [21H2]
       #4

    Is you can run this and post the results here:
    Restart-Time.bat
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  5. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #5

    jbcarreon123 said:
    Is you can run this and post the results here:
    Restart-Time.bat
    I've just done that. This was what appeared in the cmd screen: "It took 223 seconds to completely restart Windows...."
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  6. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    Thanks. The only thing of note from the task man. screenshots is a little more disk activity than I might expect.

    Please confirm page file setttings are default.

    Try this experiment: put a large file e.g. a Win 10 iso file on your desktop, say, then copy it to your desktop.
    Post a screenshot like this:

    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance-untitled.png

    Note the spurious transfer rate above- I had to repeat that to get the correct reading:
    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance-1.png
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  7. Posts : 1,777
    Windows 11 [21H2]
       #7

    br1anstorm said:
    I've just done that. This was what appeared in the cmd screen: "It took 223 seconds to completely restart Windows...."
    Not terrible. My PC restart time is:
    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance-image.jpg
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  8. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #8

    Hello again @dalchina...

    I have not changed the page file settings. It shows 8192 MB as the virtual memory.

    I've just done a big file-transfer from an external HDD to the desktop. Seemed to go pretty quickly. This is the screenshot. What does it reveal?

    Upgraded Win7 to Win10 - now very slow boot-up and poor performance-screenshot-4-.png
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  9. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #9

    Probably fine- it's usually the transfer rate I'm looking for shown on the task manager as per mine.

    Try this useful tweak tool- what's the WEI score? (bottom right)
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  10. Posts : 31,630
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #10

    br1anstorm said:
    I have just done the in-place upgrade from Win7 Home to Win10 Home ...

    ....The basics of this Samsung RF511 are 8GB RAM, an Intel Core i5 2.50GHz CPU, and a 750GB (spinning) hard disk drive....

    Fro what I can find for the specs of the RF511 that would be the Intel Core i5 2450M......

    In terms of boot-up, it takes 2 minutes from power-on to the appearance of the login/password screen ... then takes a further 1 min 15 sec to 1 min 30 sec, with more rotating dots, for the normal background screen to configure and the taskbar and menu to become active......
    br1anstorm said:
    I've just done that. This was what appeared in the cmd screen: "It took 223 seconds to completely restart Windows...."

    I have a number of laptops of various vintages, the closest in specs to yours would be my Dell Lattiitude E4310 with an HDD and its Core i5 520M with a benchmark of 1722 nearly up to your 2033.

    Intel Core i5-520M @ 2.40GHz vs Intel Core i5-2450M @ 2.50GHz [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

    That take 160 seconds to completely restart, so you obviously have some room for improvement.

    For my lower spec PCs I routinely go through the Task Manager's Start-up tab and disable all but the essential items. I also go into Settings > Privacy to turn of virtually all background apps.
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