Is fast startup obsolete?

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  1. Matthew Wai's Avatar
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    I assume the vast majority do not end up that way.
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  2. Chrysalis's Avatar
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    hdmi said:
    The vast majority of what specific group of people are you referring to?

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    I disagree. The fact that doing a restart is not the same as doing a shutdown before powering up again is just a poor excuse being made typically by those who fail to understand this other fact─for which Microsoft is not to blame. If your software shows you a message saying you need to restart, then usually, it means you need to restart.
    I am confused at what a decision to restart is to do with fast boot problems?
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  3. hdmi's Avatar
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    Chrysalis said:
    I am confused at what a decision to restart is to do with fast boot problems?
    Some people shut down the computer instead of doing a restart when a restart is required, which explains most of these problems being caused by Fast Startup. If you do a restart, then if you have verified that processes are in a stable state after that, the vast majority of modern computers will be able to shut down and power back on again without having such problems. I hardly ever shut down my laptop, as I almost always just put it in Standby mode instead, and occasionally do a restart when necessary. But there's no reason to assmume that most users are experiencing stability issues as a direct result from Fast Startup having been left enabled. The most probable cause of system instability is to be sought elsewhere. Like I said, even with an SSD, the time it takes to start up if Fast Startup is set to disabled is still typically much more than just a few seconds longer (about 20 seconds longer on my older laptop with a Hynix HFS256G39TND-N210A) so, that's why Fast Startup should be enabled by default.
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  4. TairikuOkami's Avatar
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    hdmi said:
    The fact that doing a restart is not the same as doing a shutdown before powering up again is just a poor excuse being made typically by those who fail to understand this other fact─for which Microsoft is not to blame. If your software shows you a message saying you need to restart, then usually, it means you need to restart.
    In the past shutdown was more than a restart, today it is the other way around. So when you disable fast startup, Windows acts exactly as it is supposed to and you do not need to restart ever, so MS is to blame.
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  5. hdmi's Avatar
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    TairikuOkami said:
    In the past shutdown was more than a restart, today it is the other way around. So when you disable fast startup, Windows acts exactly as it is supposed to and you do not need to restart ever, so MS is to blame.
    Windows 10 compatible hardware shouldn't need to be power cycled by doing a shutdown excepting only in a few rare conditions. If you really think that this is not how it is supposed to act, then you could always decide to go back to Windows 98 SE with the type of hardware that's so old that it is supposed to start up slow.
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  6. Chrysalis's Avatar
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    hdmi said:
    Some people shut down the computer instead of doing a restart when a restart is required, which explains most of these problems being caused by Fast Startup. If you do a restart, then if you have verified that processes are in a stable state after that, the vast majority of modern computers will be able to shut down and power back on again without having such problems. I hardly ever shut down my laptop, as I almost always just put it in Standby mode instead, and occasionally do a restart when necessary. But there's no reason to assmume that most users are experiencing stability issues as a direct result from Fast Startup having been left enabled. The most probable cause of system instability is to be sought elsewhere. Like I said, even with an SSD, the time it takes to start up if Fast Startup is set to disabled is still typically much more than just a few seconds longer (about 20 seconds longer on my older laptop with a Hynix HFS256G39TND-N210A) so, that's why Fast Startup should be enabled by default.
    I dont think anyone here said most users will be experiencing an issue because of it, but I know I said it can cause things to not initialize properly and as such would not be a good thing for people new to computers.

    We will agree to disagree, I think boot performance is quite a minor thing and would be behind predictable behaviour of a system, especially for newbie users.

    I perhaps would have a different view if Microsoft educated people, but instead its setting is hidden away and relatively undocumented. As an example if a update requires a restart, the notice doesnt warn people to not shut down instead, and if they shutdown then boot up again the alert is gone as it considers a restart completed, most of the time this may be fine, but there is no education that a shutdown is not the same as a restart for fresh initialization of the system.

    It is what it is, I dont know why I posted 3 times on it. :)
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  7. hdmi's Avatar
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    Chrysalis said:
    I dont think anyone here said most users will be experiencing an issue because of it, but I know I said it can cause things to not initialize properly and as such would not be a good thing for people new to computers.

    We will agree to disagree, I think boot performance is quite a minor thing and would be behind predictable behaviour of a system, especially for newbie users.

    I perhaps would have a different view if Microsoft educated people, but instead its setting is hidden away and relatively undocumented. As an example if a update requires a restart, the notice doesnt warn people to not shut down instead, and if they shutdown then boot up again the alert is gone as it considers a restart completed, most of the time this may be fine, but there is no education that a shutdown is not the same as a restart for fresh initialization of the system.

    It is what it is, I dont know why I posted 3 times on it. :)
    They could call it "Windows 10 for Newbies".

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