Samsung Pro is now Samsung EV0

My friend has an AMD 16 core system (with SMT on), 32GB RAM, Asus 570 and the high end 5950x, has a 1Tb TLC EVO NVMe SSD and a Samsung SATA SDD (2Tb) - his entire system in Gen 4 including the ram
can anyone suggest any good brand like WD that still make 3D MLC (2-BIT) drives?
i m aware of the years of testing against TLC and MLC (pro) devices.. but it still doesn't answer my question
his pc was almost £5000 with a 27" 4K 144Hz monitor
many thanks in advance
off-topic.. with having 16 real cores, would (I think) get better framerate in all games or some games, due to the way threads are handled to each 'logical' core
the sweet spot for gaming has been said to be 8 cores...if it were me!!! i would be trying SMT off so each core its OWN 100%worth of power, where are before your software or windows could be adding thread 0-1 to core 1 and thread 2-3 in core 2 etcetc, - in my book it 8 thread on 4 core getting 400% CPU power would ave done TWICE is as fast if all 4 thread were handed off to ALL the cores (800%) (with 800% to spare!!!) sneaky feeling tells me that is better

windows 10 20H2 - 32 x 3200MH RAM - 3.4 Ghz 16-core (SMT =32)

snadge said:

My friend has an AMD 16 core system (with SMT on), 32GB RAM, Asus 570 and the high end 5950x, has a 1Tb TLC EVO NVMe SSD and a Samsung SATA SDD (2Tb) - his entire system in Gen 4 including the ram
can anyone suggest any good brand like WD that still make 3D MLC (2-BIT) drives?
i m aware of the years of testing against TLC and MLC (pro) devices.. but it still doesn't answer my question
his pc was almost £5000 with a 27" 4K 144Hz monitor
many thanks in advance
off-topic.. with having 16 real cores, would (I think) get better framerate in all games or some games, due to the way threads are handled to each 'logical' core
the sweet spot for gaming has been said to be 8 cores...if it were me!!! i would be trying SMT off so each core its OWN 100%worth of power, where are before your software or windows could be adding thread 0-1 to core 1 and thread 2-3 in core 2 etcetc, - in my book it 8 thread on 4 core getting 400% CPU power would ave done TWICE is as fast if all 4 thread were handed off to ALL the cores (800%) (with 800% to spare!!!) sneaky feeling tells me that is better

windows 10 20H2 - 32 x 3200MH RAM - 3.4 Ghz 16-core (SMT =32)

I'm confused here. How does the subject of this thread match up with what you posted?

x509 said:

I'm confused here. How does the subject of this thread match up with what you posted?

It's this bit....

snadge said:

can anyone suggest any good brand like WD that still make 3D MLC (2-BIT) drives?
i m aware of the years of testing against TLC and MLC (pro) devices.. but it still doesn't answer my question

In the context of this news....

Category	980 PRO SSD Technical Specs
Interface	PCIe 4.0 x4, NVMe 1.3c
Form Factor	M.2 (2280)
Storage Memory	Samsung 1xx-layer V-NAND 3-bit MLC
Controller	Samsung Elpis Controller
DRAM	1GB LPDDR4 (1TB) 512MB LPDDR4 (500GB, 250GB)
Capacity (4)	1TB, 500GB, 250GB
Sequential Read/Write Speed	Up to 7,000 MB/s, Up to 5,000 MB/s
Random Read/Write Speed (QD32)	Up to 1,000K IOPS, 1,000K IOPS
Management Software	Samsung Magician Software
Data Encryption	AES 256-bit Full Disk Encryption, TCG/Opal V2.0, Encrypted Drive (IEEE1667)
Total Bytes Written	600TB (1TB) 300TB (500GB) 150TB (250GB)
Warranty (5)	Five-year Limited Warranty (6)

New Samsung 980 PRO SSD with PCIe 4.0 support up to 7,000 MB/s speeds


All previous PRO were 2-bit MLC which is known to have higher endurance (TBW), hence the PRO name and the higher price, while the EVO range was always 3-bit MLC lower TBW and cheaper. Evvectively the PRO range has been downgraded to the same endurance specs as the EVO (let's not talk about the QVO with its 4-bit MLC).

The OP wants to know who (if anyone) still supplies 2-bit MLC SSDs.

TwingKey said:

I just followed your title in. You did not mean that Samsung changed their pro series into EV0 series right?

Yes, that's exactly what the OP meant. The PRO series endurance has always had the edge over the EVO series as it only stored two bits per cell (Multi-Level Cell, aka MLC), rather than three bits per cell in the EVO. The bits per cell is a crucial factor in the endurance of an SSD, which is specified as the total lifetime Terabytes Written (TBW). Up to and including the 970 PRO series the guaranteed TBW for the 1TB drive was 1,200 TBW. With the adoption of the same 3-bit MLC technology as used by the EVO for the 980 PRO series, that has halved to become 600 TBW, which is exactly the same spec as the EVO.

Samsung said:

* Warrantied TBW for 970 PRO: 600 TBW for 512GB model, 1,200 TBW for 1TB model.
* 5-years or TBW, whichever comes first.

Samsung SSD 970 PRO | Samsung V-NAND Consumer SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global Website

Samsung said:

MZ-V8P500BW (500GB) 5 Years or 300 TBW
MZ-V8P1T0BW (1TB) 5 Years or 600 TBW

Samsung SSD 980 PRO | Samsung NVMe™ SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global Website