Win10 -2004, Slow - is it fixed?

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  1. Posts : 10
    Win 10 Pro 64
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    Win10 -2004, Slow - is it fixed?


    Hi All,
    I updated to Win 10, 204 release a couple months ago and my machine was slow and/or unresponsive, so I rolled back to 1909. I had read that I was not the only person having these issues. I was wondering if it was safe to try it again? The first time was quite scary because it took quite a long time for the machine to even allow me to roll back (like 1/2 hour). Thanx.
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  2. Ghot's Avatar
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    Win 10 Home 10.0.19044.1237 (x64) [21H2]
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    MikeyChris said:
    Hi All,
    I updated to Win 10, 204 release a couple months ago and my machine was slow and/or unresponsive, so I rolled back to 1909. I had read that I was not the only person having these issues. I was wondering if it was safe to try it again? The first time was quite scary because it took quite a long time for the machine to even allow me to roll back (like 1/2 hour). Thanx.


    I'm on the latest version of 2004, and it seems fine to me, and I am a Windows speed freak.

    Was there a particular task in Windows (2004), that was giving you trouble?
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  3. dalchina's Avatar
    Posts : 32,576
    Win 10 Pro (1903) (2nd PC is 21H1)
       #3

    Some people find that upgrading leads to driver changes which mean their disk transfer rate is limited. Just one possibility.

    Also upgrading will add some 25-30Gb to your C: drive- if that ends up nearly full, that could slow things. (Windows.old)
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  4. Ghot's Avatar
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    Win 10 Home 10.0.19044.1237 (x64) [21H2]
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    dalchina said:
    Some people find that upgrading leads to driver changes which mean their disk transfer rate is limited. Just one possibility.


    Good point.
    I used WinAero Tweaker to block all driver updates, maybe that's why I'm not seeing slow downs.

    https://winaero.com/comment.php?comment.news.1836



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    Microsoft has continually pushed driver updates on folks. A lot of times, this does cause issues.
    Their drivers aren't necessarily bad, but sometimes, driver corruption occurs when drivers are installed over existing drivers.
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  5. Berton's Avatar
    Posts : 11,578
    Win10 Pro Versions 2004 and 2009/20H2, Win10 Pro IP_Dev, Win10 Home 1909
       #5

    I've done a couple of Desktops and couple of Notebooks, not seeing any slowdowns.
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  6. Posts : 10
    Win 10 Pro 64
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Ghot said:
    I'm on the latest version of 2004, and it seems fine to me, and I am a Windows speed freak.

    Was there a particular task in Windows (2004), that was giving you trouble?
    Not just one program - anything I tried to do - open Explorer, for example. The entire machine basically was so slow it was unusable. Others have reported the same issue. I don't know if it is a specific combination of software, hardware, or both that caused the issue. I should have been more specific in my post - I am looking to hear from someone that experienced the issues and then later upgraded to 2004 and everything works. Thanx for your reply.

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    dalchina said:
    Some people find that upgrading leads to driver changes which mean their disk transfer rate is limited. Just one possibility.

    Also upgrading will add some 25-30Gb to your C: drive- if that ends up nearly full, that could slow things. (Windows.old)
    I have plenty of drive space. My O/S drive is a 500GB SSD and has 363GB free. Thanx for the reply.
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  7. Ghot's Avatar
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    Win 10 Home 10.0.19044.1237 (x64) [21H2]
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    MikeyChris said:
    Not just one program - anything I tried to do - open Explorer, for example. The entire machine basically was so slow it was unusable. Others have reported the same issue. I don't know if it is a specific combination of software, hardware, or both that caused the issue. I should have been more specific in my post - I am looking to hear from someone that experienced the issues and then later upgraded to 2004 and everything works. Thanx for your reply.

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    I have plenty of drive space. My O/S drive is a 500GB SSD and has 363GB free. Thanx for the reply.


    No... he means driverS not drives. Like motherboard drivers or video card drivers.
    Windows Updates ALSO install driverS sometimes.

    Some drivers, don't like to have a newer version just installed over top of the older version, and get corrupted.
    This can easily cause slow downs.


    The OTHER thing he mentioned was the free space on your SSD. Windows and Windows Upgrades, leave a lot of junk on your C:\ drive (SSD)... IF this is causing you to run out of space on your SSD, that can ALSO cause things to slow down.



    Instead of Updating to 2004, you can do an Upgrade to 2004. This will install Windows 2004 and save your programs and settings.



    dalchina said:
    Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade

    Short version: (which I have posted numerous times):
    Download iso file (or use one you have for current build)
    rt click iso file, click Mount
    Open new drive letter in file explorer
    double click setup.exe


    Use the Media Creation Tool to create a Windows 10 (2004) ISO and save that ISO to your desktop.
    Then... right click the ISO and choose: Mount
    Then... open file explorer and find the new driver letter (usually looks like a new DVD) that the Mount command created.

    Double click that new drive letter, then double click setup.exe. That will start the In-Place Upgrade. It will ask if you want to save all your programs and data, etc., choose that option.




    WARNING: Unlike an Update, you won't be able to "rollback" and Upgrade. On the plus side, it should solve the "slow" problems as well.
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  8. Callender's Avatar
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    21H1 64 Bit Home
       #8

    Upgraded my work machine to 2004 and it was slower including slow boot. I noticed a few missing system tray icons so reset notification area icons, thumbnail and icon cache, rebooted and that fixed it.

    Of course your problem may be something different.
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  9. Posts : 1,197
    Windows 8.1, Win10Pro
       #9

    To answer your original question -- is it safe? It's never COMPLETELY SAFE to upgrade to a new Windows version because right after folks start using it, that's when the problems appear and get reported. Win10 v20.04 was blocked for some time because of these.

    But, MS has been working on fixes and by now, has addressed many of the earlier issues -- although new ones keep cropping up every week.

    I would provide the same advice I always do about version updates -- always use Macrium Reflect and make an image backup of your current setup. That way, if the update goes badly, you have something to restore FROM.
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  10. Bree's Avatar
    Posts : 20,608
    10 Home x64 (21H1) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #10

    MikeyChris said:
    I updated to Win 10, 204 release a couple months ago and my machine was slow and/or unresponsive, so I rolled back to 1909. I had read that I was not the only person having these issues. I was wondering if it was safe to try it again?

    I have now upgraded all my machines to 2004, the first few were on day one (27th May) my last two after the Patch Tuesday CU to 19041.508 with the fix for the optimise/trim bug that potentially could have been bad for their SSDs. None of them showed any signs of being slower.


    The first time was quite scary because it took quite a long time for the machine to even allow me to roll back (like 1/2 hour)...
    I would second Mark Phelps' advice. I never undertake any major upgrade without making a Macrium system image first. Apart from anything else, it's quicker to restore a Macrium image than it is to roll back an upgrade.
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