Poor Start up response


  1. Posts : 21
    Windows 10 Home
       #1

    Poor Start up response


    When booting my PC (running Windows 10 Home Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.1158) it seems to use 50% of the disk for up to ten minutes, and everything runs very slow. I ran HD Sentinel and got the following response -

    Poor Start up response-hd-sentinel-report.jpg

    Is this as critical as it suggests, and do I only have 228 days left with my PC?

    Thanks,

    David
    Poor Start up response Attached Files
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  2. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    Hi, firstly, if you don't have a full backup- a disk image- as is so, so often advised by members here, that is your first priority.

    e.g. Macrium reflect (free) + large enough external storage for image files.

    You can image
    a. All partitions comprising your Windows O/S- typically 4 for a UEFI installation, fewer for an MBR one.
    b. All disks used
    c. Any combination of the above

    Having a disk image, and maintaining it periodically and routinely, means you are protected from failures, theft, fire, flood- if your backup is securely stored- and can even recover to a new disk or new PC.

    Note that 'normal' disk imaging fails on a failing disk where the used part of the disk is corrupt. Hopefully that's not yet your case.

    Secondly, inspect HDSentinel's report for each of the other disks as well.

    And HDSentinel is a great choice.

    Thirdly, and a much lower priority, as to performance, you might, having done that, compare your boot performance when the other disks are disconnected. I have found cases where other problem disks cause slow booting.

    Why is your boot slow? Besides the above, consider how much free space you have on C:

    How long does it take (with the othe disks disconnected) to boot to the lock screen? Or is what you are experiencing as a delay occuring after logging in- related to startups.

    Then, some have found that disk transfer rates are unaccountably very low. If so there are threads on that.
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  3. Posts : 21
    Windows 10 Home
    Thread Starter
       #3

    progress


    Thanks for getting back to me, much appreciated.

    I didn't realise I could get free software to image my PC. I have done this now so at least I have a backup of the system, should the worst happen, though how I restore from it would be another challenge. Hopefully not one I will need to worry about.

    All my other disks seem fine, 100%.

    I think my C Drive still has plenty of free space?
    Poor Start up response-c-drive.jpg

    Whatever the problem is manifests in different ways. Sometimes after starting the PC, the PC Number/CAPTIAL lights on the keyboard will blink and the whole machine stops working. If it beeps then it will usually start up. Booting to the lock screen is generally okay, though that can be slower sometimes, it is not consistent. Is it only after logging in that I can open Task Manager to see what is running, and that is where I have seen the 50% disk utilisation when things will not start up. Normally after 10 minutes or so the PC runs fine. I think occasionally it struggles when Windows Updates are being downloaded/installed, but I get the problem at other times too.

    Should I be concerned about the state of my hard disk, and look at replacing that (if that is possible?)?
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  4. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    Yes, you should look to replace it soon, and ensure its state is monitored constantly. Crystal Diskinfo (free) can generate alerts against thresholds. It's still usable, but on its way out.

    Have you tried booting without the other disks connected? Still a valid question.

    Have a look at your Update History - your build is old- it is possible your PC is trying to update and failing. Post a screenshot.

    How long does it take to boot to the lock screen?

    And if you do a clean boot (Google if unsure) how long to boot to desktop, and what does your task manager show?

    It's normal for there to be significant disk activity after logging in depending on what startups you have enabled.

    There remains the questions of disk transfer rate of course. Sometimes people find this is very restricted - a number of such threads on this.
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  5. Posts : 21
    Windows 10 Home
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Back again


    Thanks Dalchina, sorry for taking so long to respond, life gets in the way sometimes.

    Have downloaded Crystal Diskinfo, so can keep an eye on my drive.

    Is replacement of the drive relatively easy to do/could I do this, or am I better getting a whole new PC?

    What drive should I replace this with - is there a "best buy" for drives?

    I tried booting with and without the other disk drive connected - Boot time to login screen varied from 48 seconds to 1 minute 28 seconds without the drive attached, and 59 seconds to 1 minute nine seconds with the drive attached. And a clean boot varied from 48 seconds to 1 minute 25 seconds.

    Update history looks ok to me?

    Poor Start up response-update-history.jpg

    Disk transfer rates seem okay to me?
    Poor Start up response-transfer-rates.jpg

    Thanks again for your assistance.

    Dave
      My Computer


  6. Posts : 42,963
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #6

    Hi, replacing the disk is usually easy. That and RAM are two of the easy upgrades. I don't know the model of your PC so I don't know how old it is. If it generally functions well, and replacing the disk solves problems, that would be cheaper than buying a new PC and much more environmentally friendly.

    You can find youtube videos of how to replace a disk drive, perhaps even one relevant to your PC or similar.

    You could consider upgrading to a SSD and benefit mostly from boot to lock screen typically in 12-13s. You'd need to check on form factor (shape) and connectivity, and decide on capacity vs price.

    Disk imaging esp. over USB3 is much faster with a SSD because it's disk intensive.

    What's interesting from your update history is the lack of evidence of any attempt to upgrade to 1909. I had wondered if update failures might have led to some of the disk activity. Have you ever been offered that via Windows Update?

    Your boot time looks pretty good.

    Your disk figures look somewhat low. Here are some to look at- the first are SSDs so ignore them- move on to SATA drives:
    CrystalDiskMark Score Comparisons | Tom's Hardware Forum
    A lot more:
    Post your CrystalDiskMark speeds | TechPowerUp Forums

    You disk is this:

    SEAGATE ST3400620AS
    Disk Family Barracuda 7200.10 400620
    Form Factor 3.5"

    Here's one for some Barracuda 7200rpm drive
    Seagate Barracuda 2TB hard drive review - Page 3 of 6 - Myce.com
    Last edited by dalchina; 10 May 2020 at 05:54.
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