with ssd, can i get all startups to go w/o delay

rocket777 · 09 Dec 2019

My 10-pro system has a fast ssd. However, on startup, I need to start a few programs. Until these programs are started, I still can't do much with the system. It takes less than 30 seconds to get to the desktop, but then it can take another minute to get all my programs started. Most are started by the scheduler.

It's not that they are slow, it's that windows seems to be trying to delay these from starting. I'm guessing that this is something windows does so a spinning disk drive wouldn't thrash as it tried to run everything at once. That makes sense for a spinning drive, to avoid all the head movement. But I've got a reasonably fast SSD and I'd like everything to startup all at once since there's no head movement and the drive is fast.

One program I startup all the time on boot is the sysinternals procexp, which I think does it's own startup delay. I can live with that starting slowly, but if there's a way to get it also to startup quicker, that'd be cool too.

Anyway to tweak the system to get these others going without any delays?

(win 10 pro, 1903)

Plankton · 09 Dec 2019

Question: Do you use all these programs at the same time when the OS is booted up?

rocket777 · 09 Dec 2019

Plankton said:

Question: Do you use all these programs at the same time when the OS is booted up?

No, but during that minute until everything has got started, there's cmd windows popping up and they can interfere with such things as menus, which will be closed before I can select something. Sometimes the "this pc" get's ignored during this startup time.

Now, if standby or hibernate worked, I'd just use that, but my intel 4790k and gigabyte b85m-ds3h-a mainboard has never been able to get standby to work more than one time after a fresh boot and hibernate never works. So, I'm always starting up my computer from power off.

These programs are all very lightweight. Some need to run as admin so that's why I have to use the scheduler. I have other programs like a keyboard macro program, a program called stickies, one called filebox extender, ultramon, tightvnc, openvpn, x-mouse button controller, each of which if I start normally can be up and running in under 1/2 second. I've got a fairly fast cpu so if these were all launched at the same time, they should be all going in about 3 seconds.

On prior windows systems, for example, XP, where I also had most of these 10 or so startup programs once I got an ssd, these would all launch in less than 5 seconds. It was fun to watch all the little tray icons appear very quickly one after the other - as opposed to when I used a spinner disk where it did take much longer as the disk thrashed.

I was hoping there might be one registry entry I could tweak which would let them all start immediately.

Plankton · 09 Dec 2019

How many programs do you have running in start up? Do you really need all of them at start up? I keep a bare minimum in startup.....just what I need to have a functional PC. Then run what ever software I need manually.

Plankton · 09 Dec 2019

When if ever have you run TRIM on you SSD?

Steve C · 10 Dec 2019

Use Autoruns to check / disable third party stuff which needs to runs at boot. Copy a shortcut to any program you want to start at login to C:\Users\myname\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup for a single user and to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp for all users

CountMike · 10 Dec 2019

Did you try this ? How to Disable the Windows 10 Startup Delay

dalchina · 10 Dec 2019

It takes less than 30 seconds to get to the desktop,

Assuming you're not counting the time to respond to the login prompt (if any) that seems slow. Put another way, e.g. 10-12s to lock screen might be more typical.

filebox extender

- this has long been obsolete- I used to use this years ago. I had to turn to Listary (some similar features in some ways, just not by titlebar buttons), and Actual Windows Manager (or its reduced function subsets).

rocket777 · 10 Dec 2019

CountMike said:

Did you try this ? How to Disable the Windows 10 Startup Delay

Thanks for that one. Unfortunately it didn't make much of a difference.

Steve C said:

Use Autoruns to check / disable third party stuff which needs to runs at boot. Copy a shortcut to any program you want to start at login to C:\Users\myname\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup for a single user and to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp for all users

Yes, I believe that is how most of my programs startup, though some need to start from the scheduler to get admin rights w/o me having to explicity click on an OK button.

dalchina said:

Assuming you're not counting the time to respond to the login prompt (if any) that seems slow. Put another way, e.g. 10-12s to lock screen might be more typical.

Filebox extender:

- this has long been obsolete- I used to use this years ago. I had to turn to Listary (some similar features in some ways, just not by titlebar buttons), and Actual Windows Manager (or its reduced function subsets).

To be more precise. I'm counting from the end of a "reboot" when the screens (all 3) go blank. It's about 4 seconds to the gigabyte's splash screen, 8 seconds to the first windows logo, and after I do the auto logon, it's about 25 seconds all told to the desktop showing up. But then, it still slowly starts up my startup programs. It's not until 1:45 that procexp is finished starting up and its tray icon finally appears. At that point I know everything has finished.

As to filebox extender, hehe, I've been using that since at least XP and maybe even win 2000. It has a feature I've still not seen anywhere else, except 20 years ago on a mac that lets me point to an open explorer window during an open file dialog and it will switch that dialog's current directory over to the one I just pointed to. It's list of quick access directories menu pops up instantly whereas my toolbar menu with the >> always takes about 5-8 seconds to come up (the first time, then it's quicker, but still slow every so often). And I like the extra buttons.

I'm pretty old now and my muscle memory isn't likely to change, so I just keep using what works :) You'll laugh, but I'm still using a keyboard macro program called perfect keyboard '99 that I bought 20 years ago. And it still works perfectly.

dalchina · 10 Dec 2019

You can try a clean boot just for comparison- (Google to check how if needed). (Autoruns is a bit complicated).

But if your disk transfer rate is normal, and if when your PC is nominally idle, there's little activity shown in task manager, and your boot time is normal, then I certainly see, with quite a few startups, a noticeable period after the desktop is displayed whilst the startups load.

Just for interest, here are just some of the many buttons Actual Windows Manager can add - I had to give up on Filebox Extender when it simply no longer seemed compatible... so I'm surprised it still works!

Favourite folders, Recent items, On top etc- sound familiar?