Shocked by the low performance of a Q9550...

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    Win 10, Win 7 & KDE Neon
       #21

    Try a dual win10/Linux boot on a underpowered/low spec machine and see if there is any difference in performance using Linux...
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       #22

    Didn't really got into Linux, and the solution, if there's any, should be inside Windows 10. Remember one KEY point: in Microsoft Edge, this Dell can play 1080p60fps without any single problem. May be I should try an older Chrome version?
    But the thing is, in Firefox it happens exactly the same behavior, so it can't be a Chrome bug or something, there must be something else.
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       #23

    Is hardware acceleration enabled in the browsers giving you issues?
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       #24

    First post, already said, yes, hardware acceleration is enabled but if I disable it then it's even worse, and for example in my ISP service I don't even see image when put a live channel, it's all black.
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    Sorry I missed that. First thing that popped into my mind trying to figure out browser dependence.

    Is your ISP using Adobe Flash for video browsing or streaming?
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       #26

    Geneo said:
    Sorry I missed that. First thing that popped into my mind trying to figure out browser dependence.

    Is your ISP using Adobe Flash for video browsing or streaming?
    I don't know, that's the problem. Imagine it's like a "Netflix" web, where you can select TV channels, watch live TV, TV shows that were broadcast before, etc... How can I check that?

    I don't know neither what is different when I play a video with Chrome or Firefox compared to Edge. Edge works fine at 1080p60fps, Chrome or Firefox doesn't. Problem is, I can't choose anything more than 1080p in Edge to test how far can I go.

    NEWS: I've just discovered that VP9 is disabled by default in Edge. Or, not disabled, but "automatic", which happens to mean it won't turn on unless necessary? Could it be that VP9 is causing all the trouble?

    But again, a user here just said he can play 1080p60fps with his Q9550 in Chrome. May be he has VP9 disabled in Chrome?
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    rambomhtri said:
    The GT 610M is way weaker than the GT 730, yet the laptop plays that video without hesitation. The laptop works fine but has weaker GPU hands down, so the GT 730 can't be the problem.
    Hi!
    If using Firefox, what about the plugins? I have two plugins, OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc and Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc.
    Are they enabled or disabled?

    Sorry if I missed this info in the beginning.
    Cheers!
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       #28

    snickie said:
    Hi!
    If using Firefox, what about the plugins? I have two plugins, OpenH264 Video Codec provided by Cisco Systems, Inc and Widevine Content Decryption Module provided by Google Inc.
    Are they enabled or disabled?

    Sorry if I missed this info in the beginning.
    Cheers!
    First of all, all the relevant info is in my first post, it's not all spread the thread. Nice call, but I've those 2 plugins, they come with Firefox, you don't have to manually install them. The thing is, I believe now that Chrome and Firefox use VP9 to play YouTube and my ISP service, while Edge doesn't, by default, although I've seen that you can change that. I'm gonna try:
    1. Force VP9 in Edge to check if then it behaves like Chrome or Firefox, so we can check if that's all the problem
    2. Force to not use VP9 in Chrome and Firefox and check how that works

    Anyways, a user here just told he could watch 1080p60fps perfectly fine in Chrome with the same CPU, so it can't be a CPU issue neither, then.

    - - - Updated - - -

    OK, NEWS!

    I've installed in Chrome and Firefox the extension "enhanced-h264", which blocks vp9/vp8 content and forces the browser to use the h264 codec. Now I can watch YouTube at 1080p60fps, although that's the maximum, I mean, no 1440 or 4K options available. That's fine, and not a single frame dropped. I knew this CPU was capable of that and more, God... So, clearly it was a VP9 problem.

    Sadly, my ISP web service must be using VP9 to stream live TV too, and since the extension only blocks it on YouTube, I still have the same problem with my ISP web. I use this service a lot, so I have to make it work, period. Chrome is the only compatible browser for my ISP web, because Firefox doesn't work, and Edge is too buggy, sometimes you won't be able to log in, others it will freeze... but, whenever I make it work, it works nice in Edge, so... I guess a VP9 blocker extension applied to all pages is the solution.

    Now, the problem itself... why? Why am I having problems with the VP9 codec? Is this a general problem for all QXXXX CPU's? What about Intel's first gen?

    The GT 730 is newer than the GT 610M (which my laptop has and works fine with VP9 Chrome 1080p60fps), it's newer, superior and better, so there's no way that's the problem.

    Only the CPU, the Q9550 could be the problem, but one user told me here that he was able to watch YouTube in 1080p60fps, apparently using Chrome and VP9 I guess. Still, I don't understand why the Q9550 can't handle VP9. It should be a general problem then?
    Yet, I haven't found a massive amount of people reporting this issue. I guess there are still a lot of people using QXXXX CPU's, specially if they got the high end ones like the Q9550 or Q9650.

    Update: a cheap laptop with an i3 350M, weaker I believe in absolutely every test, and a weak cheap GPU, can play 1080p on Chrome fluently (not 60fps) without frame drops. So, my conclusions are that the whole series of Intel CPU's before the Core i3, i5 and i7 can't handle VP9. But, I have to test it myself yet, a friend of mine with a Q9300 and a GT 210 can handle in Chrome my ISP service and 1080p60fps videos. So, this problem is harder and harder to solve...
    Last edited by rambomhtri; 10 Oct 2019 at 16:32.
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       #29

    It seems that for Hardware support you need recent hardware (2016 onwards). I could be wrong though and maybe can be done via software.
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  10. Posts : 191
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       #30

    eLPuSHeR said:
    It seems that for Hardware support you need recent hardware (2016 onwards). I could be wrong though and maybe can be done via software.
    I don't really get what that list means, but an i3 350M from 2009 can handle 1080p videos in Chrome, VP9, while my Q9550 can't, so that can't be true. This is like some kind of hardware troll, wtf...
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