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  1. Posts : 4,666
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1 Build 19043.1151 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #941

    Phase Change = Heat Pipes + Heat Spreader

    Nothing special about it, has been used 2 different types in refrigerators and laptops for ages. Only problem with laptops is that you can not stick a big heat spreader in it, so it requires a fan to be more efficient. Many electronic devices uses heat pipes connected to the case for cooling the critical components.

    A desktop build on the other hand...oh yeah! Great idea! Big enough heat spreaders and you can keep pretty much anything cool.

    That case seems to support fans too for more efficient cooling...so overclocking is possible. Love it!
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  2. Posts : 2,832
    Windows 10 Pro X64
       #942

    Hi,

    Calyos uses looped heatpipe systems.
    They're based in my backyard so to speak.

    http://www.calyos-tm.com/

    Isn't phase change about using Peltier effect semi-conductors ? If it does it would typically draw some extra 30W from the PSU. Not very green I'd say and you'd still need to get rid of the heat it generates.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/231948/c...anless-pc-case

    Cheers,
    Last edited by fdegrove; 15 Dec 2017 at 17:11.
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  3. Posts : 27,183
    Win11 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
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       #943

    Phase change has been used for extreme overclocking for a long time now.
    It can even get colder than nitrogen or helium, but then "cold bug" will bite.
    With phase change they can control the temps a lot easier and more accurately.



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  4. Posts : 2,832
    Windows 10 Pro X64
       #944

    Hi,

    Just sent an e-mail to Calyos. It's time to put their product out there on the market. No ?
    Been following them for a couple of years already but they seem to struggle on how to market. Typically Belgian. Brilliant ideas but no idea on how to capitalize on it.

    Cheers,
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  5. Posts : 4,666
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1 Build 19043.1151 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #945

    fdegrove said:

    Isn't phase change about using Peltier effect semi-conductors ? If it does it would typically draw some extra 30W from the PSU. Not very green I'd say and you'd still need to get rid of the heat it generates.
    NO!

    The six types of Phase change:

    Freezing: the substance changes from a liquid to a solid.

    Melting: the substance changes back from the solid to the liquid.

    Condensation: the substance changes from a gas to a liquid.

    Vaporization: the substance changes from a liquid to a gas.

    Sublimation: the substance changes directly from a solid to a gas without going through the liquid phase.

    Deposition: the substance changes directly from a gas to a solid without going through the liquid phase.


    In the computer world and the refrigerator world we are only interesred in Vaporization and Condensation. We either use heatpipes or to get subzero temperatures we can use a compressor to raise the pressure in the tubes so it liquidifies and then release the pressure near the hot surface so the liquid evaporates and transfers heat away from the hot surface.

    A peltier element is a bit different though the effect is the same when it comes to transferring heat.
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  6. Posts : 983
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       #946

    Mr. Simple here.

    Phase changers remove heat from computer components. That's good.
    How does it remove the heat properly from the computer without fans.
    Waiting for the old natural way of heat rises and therefore cooling, doesn't seem to be as being enough with 4 super duper video cards. Those little holes in the video cards that blow hot air out of the video cards using the cards fans just don't seem to me as enough.

    Something else that comes to mind: If a setup like that is so great why after years, isn't it being marketed.
    If it worked many would buy such a system. Maybe only 1 of those video cards would be more than enough.

    Just my opinion

    Jack
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  7. Posts : 27,183
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       #947

    Phase changer units are usually a piece of equipment next to the PC, and if they are built into a case, the vents for the heat are placed facing into the room.

    They haven't been marketed, as the are very expensive, and the ones for X-treme overclocking are very loud.
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  8. Posts : 27,183
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       #948
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  9. Posts : 12,801
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  10. Posts : 134,318
    Windows 11 Pro (x64) 23H2 Build 22631.3296
       #950

    So where did you put your fans on your Corsair H105 radiator, on the bottom, like it comes ....or put them above your radiator Steve. blowing out if on bottom, blowing in if on top .....??? just wondering ...
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