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  1. Posts : 4,666
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1 Build 19043.1151 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #71

    sygnus21 said:
    Sorry but that's just a bit ridiculous. A water block for an SSD???
    I don't think it is ridiculous at all. If the user wants to efficiently get the heat produced by the NVMe out of the computer box, a heatsink is not quite enough. I can see it's usefulness in some scenarios where there is constant heavy disk usage. BUT all this would be more useful if that adapter was a RAID card, supporting 4 NVMe drives.
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  2. Posts : 7,724
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       #72

    solarstarshines said:
    M.2 's get really hot but honestly they make heatsinks for them so what you are saying is spot on ridiculous

    Enthusiast though have to love them
    Hi,
    I did notice the x299 does have a M.2 fan port so what would you believe that to be for :)
    Most M.2's that I've seen are pretty close to the gpu.
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  3. Posts : 12,801
    Windows 11 Pro
       #73

    What I have read from some of the "Experts" (whatever that may mean) is you do not want to cool the nand cells, you need to cool only the controller.
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  4. Posts : 19,518
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       #74

    essenbe said:
    What I have read from some of the "Experts" (whatever that may mean) is you do not want to cool the nand cells, you need to cool only the controller.
    I'm not sure about that, as far as I noticed with my Samsung, controller is much cooler (~30c) under stress than NaNd chip (up to 60c) and that's with cooler on both of them.
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  5. Posts : 12,801
    Windows 11 Pro
       #75

    CountMike said:
    I'm not sure about that, as far as I noticed with my Samsung, controller is much cooler (~30c) under stress than NaNd chip (up to 60c) and that's with cooler on both of them.
    I interpreted them to mean that the nand cells are supposed to be hot, and it does not hurt anything. What causes the throttling is when the controller gets too hot.
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  6. Posts : 27,181
    Win11 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
    Thread Starter
       #76

    As my ambient temps are still too warm for my current system setup, benchmarking still isn't improving.
    So for the heck of it, I tired Winsat formal, and got this:
    2017 Hardware Thread [2]-image.png
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  7. Posts : 4,666
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1 Build 19043.1151 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #77

    essenbe said:
    I interpreted them to mean that the nand cells are supposed to be hot, and it does not hurt anything. What causes the throttling is when the controller gets too hot.
    When it comes to anything electricity related, the warmer the device is the worse it is for the device. The more heat, the more resistance, which leads to even more heat. Basic school physics.

    What is however REALLY important for electrical components is that it "warms up" (meaning the flow normalize) and then stays at a constant temperature. If temp is fluctuating too much the component will get tired from all expansion and contraction and will eventually break/die.

    With inproper cooling the temp of a NAND cell can vary 60C between idle and full load. That is really bad for the cell and any other components around it.

    So I think a water cooled M.2 NVMe drive is not that ridiculous at all. It keeps temperatures more stable. If I could, I would watercool ALL components that produce heat just to stabilize temperatures in the whole system.

    Another advantage of water cooling is that it does not produce static electricity which air cooling does. At my previous job we had a lot of issues with static electricity build ups. Components were blowing all the time, or were behaving erratically. :)
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  8. Posts : 1,113
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       #78

    I see the new Intel 900p Optane drives hit the market this week coming up. They have simply awesome results for 4k random read and write. Maybe the first new drive in quite some time where you actually might notice the speed difference in a windows OS.

    They are a little pricey but any new tech is. Would love to get my hands on the 280 GB version for an OS drive.

    Announcing Intel Optane SSD 900P Series - Windows 10 Forums

    Intel Optaneâ„¢ SSD 900P Series (280GB, 1/2 Height PCIe x4, 20nm, 3D Xpoint) Product Specifications
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  9. Posts : 2,832
    Windows 10 Pro X64
       #79

    Hi,

    They are a little pricey but any new tech is. Would love to get my hands on the 280 GB version for an OS drive
    In Europe that drive is being offered for 590 Euro. That's more than a little pricey in my book.
    @Cliff S et al : Re M2 cooling, are you familiar with a German company called Aquacomputer ? They have great stuff to cool M2 drive and more.

    Cheers,
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  10. Posts : 27,181
    Win11 Pro, Win10 Pro N, Win10 Home, Windows 8.1 Pro, Ubuntu
    Thread Starter
       #80

    fdegrove said:
    Hi,



    In Europe that drive is being offered for 590 Euro. That's more than a little pricey in my book.
    @Cliff S et al : Re M2 cooling, are you familiar with a German company called Aquacomputer ? They have great stuff to cool M2 drive and more.

    Cheers,
    Like this Aqua Computer Webshop - kryoM.2 evo PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter für M.2 NGFF PCIe SSD, M-Key mit Passivkühler 53246
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