Windows 10: 2017 Hardware Thread


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       14 Jul 2017 #2301

    Graphics cards have except the high end ones because of all the bitcoin miners. DDR3 is reasonably cheap, DDR4 is not cheap even a little.
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  2.    14 Jul 2017 #2302

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Yeah, but a handful of years ago, AMD was spanking Intel with the Athlon 64 X2, before the Intel Core series came to be.
    Honestly don't remember AMD spanking Intel at any point in time. They may have been competitive at times, but never spanking.

    Anyway I've never even once thought about getting an AMD CPU. Bought plenty of ATI/AMD GPU's, but never a CPU. Even when I first got into PC's a friend was trying to talk me into AMD, but another friend who built my first PC went Intel and I never looked back.
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  3.    14 Jul 2017 #2303

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Is it me or has the price of computer components gone up? I know RAM is more expensive, and it seems like video cards have risen in price in the nearly 1 year since I bought my son's parts. Seems like GTX 1070's are hard to find now, where they used to be about $400.
    DDR4 RAM prices seems to have risen as I've been looking seeing I need a kit for my Z170 board & 6700K CPU. Looking to get a 32 gig kit but I'll wait for now being it's a backup system.

    That said, I think it's the more higher end or premium parts that's getting expensive as opposed to middle to low end parts.
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  4.    14 Jul 2017 #2304

    sygnus21 said: View Post
    Honestly don't remember AMD spanking Intel at any point in time. They may have been competitive at times, but never spanking.
    Back in the Pentium 4 days, AMD caught intel sleeping with the Athlon 64 X2 CPU. It was the chip all of the gamers were using at the time. I still have an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ in a Linux box at home.
    AMD's Athlon 64 X2 processors - The Tech Report - Page 16


    I have used both chips over the years. Mostly Intel, but I've owned 3 AMD systems. Never a problem with any of them. They just haven't had anything more than budget CPU's in the last few years.

    I am still considering a Ryzen for a new system. Threadripper is appealing, but outside of my comfort zone on price. I just have to evaluate my needs for heavily multithreaded CPU versus overall gaming performance. I'd say I run more virtual machine and labs at home than I play games. So, I might go the more multithreaded route.
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  5.    14 Jul 2017 #2305

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Back in the Pentium 4 days, AMD caught intel sleeping with the Athlon 64 X2 CPU. It was the chip all of the gamers were using at the time. I still have an Athlon 64 X2 4600+ in a Linux box at home.
    Yeah I remember the Pentium 4 days, I have one. Point is I have one of them and not AMD. And I was even heavier into gaming than I am today.

    But yeah, the Athlon 64 was a good chip. Though most people I knew stayed with Intel, some did move to the Athlon 64. I do remember the buzz though.

    That said, fast forward years later and AMD is still trying to become relevant (again).
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  6.    14 Jul 2017 #2306

    Understood, you have never had an AMD chip. I have because they were a better bag for the buck at the time. Agreed, AMD has just been a budget chip for past decade. But I won't ever exclude them from consideration. When it comes time to buy, if they are in the game, I am just as likely to buy them as Intel.
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       14 Jul 2017 #2307

    pparks1 said: View Post
    Is it me or has the price of computer components gone up? I know RAM is more expensive, and it seems like video cards have risen in price in the nearly 1 year since I bought my son's parts. Seems like GTX 1070's are hard to find now, where they used to be about $400.

    I just priced out a handful of parts and it came out to about $1,800, which is more than I want to spend right now.
    sygnus21 said: View Post
    DDR4 RAM prices seems to have risen as I've been looking seeing I need a kit for my Z170 board & 6700K CPU. Looking to get a 32 gig kit but I'll wait for now being it's a backup system.

    That said, I think it's the more higher end or premium parts that's getting expensive as opposed to middle to low end parts.
    So what's the deal? We reached out to a few memory makers to find out. According to our sources, the DDR4 price increase is due to a number of factors, but primarily smartphones are to blame. Essentially, mobile phone production using DDR4 chips is on the rise.
    The most recent generation of smartphones from the last year or so have been utilizing DDR4 memory, such as the Samsung Galaxy S6 and the HTC One M9, but thus far that hadn't really affected RAM prices. But that's changed in recent days. The launch of the Google Pixel as well as the Le Pro 3 from LeEco, the Chinese hardware conglomerate currently moving in on the US technology market, has increased demand for DDR4 memory. Combine that with the recent Samsung Note 7 debacle—and the company scrambling to produce replacements for its exploding phones—and the DDR4 market is under more strain than ever.
    Here's why DDR4 RAM prices have spiked | PC Gamer
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  8.    15 Jul 2017 #2308

    I get that cause and effects can be lasting but this is old news here....

    Combine that with the recent Samsung Note 7 debacle—and the company scrambling to produce replacements for its exploding phones—and the DDR4 market is under more strain than ever.

    That said, it probably is contributing towards the high demand of DDR4, along with all the other new tech needing DDR4 so...
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       15 Jul 2017 #2309

    sygnus21 said: View Post
    I get that cause and effects can be lasting but this is old news here....




    That said, it probably is contributing towards the high demand of DDR4, along with all the other new tech needing DDR4 so...
    Also video cards, and SSDs needing Flash NAND, and the companies that make NAND, need to set their production lines up for the different types.
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  10.    15 Jul 2017 #2310

    Speaking of AMD:
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