Windows 10: 2017 Hardware Thread

  1.    04 Jun 2017 #1871

    essenbe said: View Post
    Thanks Steve, for posting this interesting information from Linus.
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       04 Jun 2017 #1872

    Personally, I liked the video and someone needed to do it. Others will do it as well, I'm sure. That being said, I think at least some of what Linus said was a little over dramatization. None of the X99 E series CPUs had on chip graphics either. That has always been a given. The lower end X99 CPUs had 28 lanes of traffic and the upper end has 40 lanes. That has always been that way. So, deciding how many CPU lanes you want and realizing that some features wouldn't work or work as well is nothing new. Intel just threw another option into the batch. It's not that hard to figure out.

    Some of the stuff he talked about can be confusing to people and for months we all knew this was going to be a rush job. This chip release was never on Intel's timeline and it was well known it was in response to Ryzen. We also all know when you rush something, there will be kinks to work out. Before you AMD guys get too excited, yours was a rush job as well, has problems and they still haven't totally figured out the ram speeds. Overclocking Ryzen is, in my opinion, almost not worth the effort. Many more than one reviewer said AMD rushed it to market and should have worked out it's issues before the release. Maybe that will be worked out later, just as some of Intel's issues will be worked out with BIOS updates.

    In my opinion, I think some of the stuff he talked about was good and needed to be said, although much of it was already known. Some of what he complained about was not noteworthy and has been that way on every enthusiast platform. Assuming everything works right and the performance is there, nothing he said would stop me from buying one if I wanted to.

    The i7-6800K has 28 PCIe lanes, all the other CPUs in that release have 40 Lanes. The same with the previous enthusiast CPUs, the 5820 has 28 lanes, the others have 40. So, they gave the upper end 4 more lanes and threw in the Kaby Lake with fewer lanes. Same deal just another option.
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       04 Jun 2017 #1873

    Today i finally turned my OC down because of the warmer ambient temps.
    Funny thing is, at idle, they are the same at the mid 30's.

    I have been using 4.9GHz @ 1.45v, now I turned it down to 4.5GHz @ 1.35v(might work at 1.34 or even 1.33, but I like to leave some room).

    the main difference is the fan on the heatsink isn't revved up to almost full speed @ 1800rpm(full is 2000rpm) even at idle, and has dropped to 850-900 rpm, also leaving some room.

    I ran AIDA64 stress test for a bit, and everything looks good there:
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    And P95 version 291 passed a short 15minute test set min & max FFT at 1344 to run in place. but even at 4.5GHz I get that damn Vdroop
    But in day to day, or even when benchmarking, I don't have that problem(as far as I can tell) when using 4.9
    Top package temp was only 75°C on air.
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    As a side note, OCCT gives me a pass, but also has Vdroop when using the CPU Large Data Set test.

    So I guess I'm set for the summer
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  4.    04 Jun 2017 #1874

    essenbe said: View Post
    Personally, I liked the video and someone needed to do it. That being said, I think at least some of what Linus said was a little over dramatization.
    I like Linus. He is one smart guy and definitely a passionate nerd. A little over dramatization I would agree with although indeed Intel seemed to rush all this out after being caught off guard by AMD. I think it will all be worked out.

    Linus seems so upset I think he needs to get himself to the Health and Wellness booth at Computex to relax a bit and maybe have some fun. I'm sure he hasn't even realized it exists.

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    Cliff: if you're posting comments on that video make sure to thank Linus for that tour of Taipei's streets out in the rain. Ya, that's the tour of Computex I wanted to see.
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       04 Jun 2017 #1875

    Thanks for sharing the Linus vid Steve. I think he was a little overdramatic, but that is his style. I do like his vids Intel is doing what people want. AMD put out some competition, so Intel will throw out more, that is exactly what people want. I think AMD is doing good now, I may try an AMD build one day
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       04 Jun 2017 #1876

    Dude said: View Post
    Thanks for sharing the Linus vid Steve. I think he was a little overdramatic, but that is his style. I do like his vids Intel is doing what people want. AMD put out some competition, so Intel will throw out more, that is exactly what people want. I think AMD is doing good now, I may try an AMD build one day
    Never!
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  7.    04 Jun 2017 #1877

    Dude said: View Post
    I think AMD is doing good now, I may try an AMD build one day



    Cliff S said: View Post
    Never!
    AMD is the generic beer of CPU's
    And the only reason Nvidia and Intel dropped their absurd pricing.
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  8.    04 Jun 2017 #1878

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Never!
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    Not bad for a beer:
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       04 Jun 2017 #1879

    CountMike said: View Post
    Not bad for a beer:
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    I prefer Intel not because of overclocking or number of threads, but because of the advancements they have made in security.
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       04 Jun 2017 #1880



    the science part of it from the Army: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a622811.pdf
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