How do i get my CPU down in temperatures ?

BossSiggy said:

If TDP is not useful anymore how do you know what coolers to go for then ? Like with my CPU that is 180 TDP, Intel and people tell me that if i want to be 100% sure to get max use of my cooler i need to get one with that is above 180 TDP, even though most people are saying that Pure Rock 2 with 150 TDP is enough ?

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So you are saying that i need a better MB aswell or just a better cooler than Pure Rock 2 ?

The TDP (also referred to by Intel as PBP = Processor Base Power, or "the time-averaged power dissipation that the processor is validated to not exceed during manufacturing while executing an Intel-specified high complexity workload at Base Frequency and at the junction temperature as specified in the Datasheet for the SKU segment and configuration") of your CPU is 65W, not 180W. 180W is the Maximum Turbo Power, or "the maximum sustained (>1s) power dissipation of the processor as limited by current and/or temperature controls. Instantaneous power may exceed Maximum Turbo Power for short durations (<=10ms). Note: Maximum Turbo Power is configurable by system vendor and can be system specific.".
Intel Core i712700F Processor 25M Cache up to 4.90 GHz Product Specifications

The problem is that modern Intel CPUs such as the one that you have can not only draw more power than the 150W TDP rating of the Pure Rock 2, but can also do so for much longer than just a few seconds. The conclusion in the guru3d review of the Pure Rock 2 that I previously linked confirms it, as do the two Anandtech articles that I also linked before that. Each time when the CPU does this, it heats up. Next, it throttles─to not exceed the limits that protect the CPU and that protect other parts also in addition to the CPU. Per Intel, these limits either are fully determined by the CPU in question or are part determined by the CPU, part determined by the system vendor. It's only logical the fact that the CPU cooler also plays a role in this regard. See above, the Maximum Turbo Power = 180W for the i7 12700F versus only 150W TDP for the Pure Rock 2. As an oversimplification, it means that the Pure Rock 2, after it gets hot, can not bring down the temperature of your CPU very fast as long as your CPU keeps drawing close to 150W on average, when the only fluctuations in the power have no significant impact on the temperature of either the CPU or of the CPU cooler. After it gets hot, it stays hot until the power goes back down again, and goes down in such a way that it averages significantly below, and, until that happens, this average can not go further up much for very long. As a result from this, Turbo Boost gets wing clipped, often during those moments when it actually matters the most. Except of course if you don't experience heavy load.

I should note that the GPU also generates heat, and doesn't blow all of it out through the back of the case, just to name only one example of other factors (why I used the word "oversimplification"). That plus the fact that the VRM heatsink on your motherboard doesn't like warm airflow. Five big fans blowing in the same direction, one before the next, with just about the right distance between each is what creates a tunnel effect with not too much turbulence going on anywhere. Flow stability is nice, as it helps to shove warm air right out through the back and through the top of the case, instead of letting warm air circulate more inside the case. Whether you need that or not.

That said, you don't necessarily NEED the Noctua NH-D15 (either NH-D15 or NH-D15S, basically this will depend on the height of the RAM you have). I mean, the Noctua NH-U12A can give you the same or very similar CPU temperatures, BUT... like shown in the YouTube videos that I previously linked, the NH-D15/NH-D15S with three Noctua fans mounted on it lets you reduce fan speed a notch, at least if the NZXT case you have is maxed out on airflow. So, for those who care about the fan noise a lot, that one additional fan that's in the middle of the NH-D15 will make a difference. Whether you need that or not. Maybe your room tends to get warm in the summer, I don't know.

With the GPU that you currently have, I wouldn't replace your motherboard. IMO just don't let your VRMs run hot.

hdmi said:

It has all already been explained in reasonable detail more than four years ago, just so I don't have to drive in circles about it. You know... it isn't my fault that you still lack the technical knowledge to just google the old news rather than keep complaining to me about it all endlessly.
Why Intel Processors Draw More Power Than Expected: TDP and Turbo Explained
Speed Shift is what's responsible to a large degree (with emphasis on 'degree'...) for having opened the road toward more finely grained control over frequency modulation and therefore power consumption and efficiency so basically, over the past several years now, Intel has been completely redefining 'short' in 'short excursion' near the top of page 3 in this prehistoric white paper:
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/do...ower-paper.pdf
Put simply, Intel CPUs remaining in PL2 for much longer periods of time than what we were used to seeing have already become utterly mainstream, and CPU aircoolers such as the Noctua NH-D15 help to get the most out of the i7 12700F whereas the be quiet! Pure Rock 2 is excellent for just... well, here ya go:
be quiet! Pure Rock 2 review - Final words and conclusion
Have a nice day!

Sorry for the late response, but real life have been very busy and all this talk is heavy reading for me, since i dont know much about it, english is not my first language and reading this stuff when im tired its like its going in through 1 ear and out through the other kinda .. But i just read this article that you posted: Why Intel Processors Draw More Power Than Expected: TDP and Turbo Explained and from what i understand i should set PL1 to 65 watt, PL2 to somewhere between 180 watt and unlimited and then TAU to unlimited ? (once i get my temperatures under control) Where do i do that though, i just went to BIOS and looked through every single setting, i might have overseen it since im tired lol (my mb is Asus B660M-K D4) I did find this stuff that made me think about PL1, PL2 and Tau. >

Just leave those settings at their defaults. Your CPU is locked (non 'K' model) so the only way that you could overclock your CPU is a feature called BCLK (Base Clock) OC, which your motherboard doesn't have. (Replacing the motherboard that you currently have─just to be able to have BCLK OC─seems rather pointless IMHO.) So, the whole Ai Tweaker tab should be left alone until maybe some day (in a not too distant future) you decide to replace your CPU with an unlocked ('K' model) Intel 13th Gen CPU, like, maybe when you decide to also upgrade your GPU, but of course that is entirely up to you to decide.
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/m...20B660M-K%20D4
On the Advanced tab, under CPU - Power Management Control, Intel(R) Speed Shift Technology should already be enabled by default (but it can never hurt to doubleckeck). Also, when Thermal Monitor is enabled, it automatically means that a feature called EMTTM (Enhanced Multi-threaded Thermal Monitoring) will be enabled too. Keeping this feature enabled is required for Turbo Boost to work. It is what lets the CPU go above the TDP─above 65W for your specific CPU model. The EMTTM is responsible for not letting the CPU and some parts of the motherboard exceed those maximum safety limits that I was talking about earlier. It is why Turbo Boost can't work without it, and, due to the fact that it monitors the temperatures (why it's called Enhanced Multi-Threaded Thermal Monitoring in the first place), it causes Turbo Boost to throttle sooner, compared to when you have installed a very good CPU cooler─like I previously explained. My laptop does the exact same thing... immediately the moment when the cooling fan ramps up to maximum speed it just keeps the Turbo frequency from going up higher for longer, due to these limits. The hotter it runs, the sooner it dips back down again after it peaks, so as to momentarily reduce the power again, dynamically on-the-fly.

hdmi said:

Just leave those settings at their defaults. Your CPU is locked (non 'K' model) so the only way that you could overclock your CPU is a feature called BCLK (Base Clock) OC, which your motherboard doesn't have. (Replacing the motherboard that you currently have─just to be able to have BCLK OC─seems rather pointless IMHO.) So, the whole Ai Tweaker tab should be left alone until maybe some day (in a not too distant future) you decide to replace your CPU with an unlocked ('K' model) Intel 13th Gen CPU, like, maybe when you decide to also upgrade your GPU, but of course that is entirely up to you to decide.
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/m...20B660M-K%20D4
On the Advanced tab, under CPU - Power Management Control, Intel(R) Speed Shift Technology should already be enabled by default (but it can never hurt to doubleckeck). Also, when Thermal Monitor is enabled, it automatically means that a feature called EMTTM (Enhanced Multi-threaded Thermal Monitoring) will be enabled too. Keeping this feature enabled is required for Turbo Boost to work. It is what lets the CPU go above the TDP─above 65W for your specific CPU model. The EMTTM is responsible for not letting the CPU and some parts of the motherboard exceed those maximum safety limits that I was talking about earlier. It is why Turbo Boost can't work without it, and, due to the fact that it monitors the temperatures (why it's called Enhanced Multi-Threaded Thermal Monitoring in the first place), it causes Turbo Boost to throttle sooner, compared to when you have installed a very good CPU cooler─like I previously explained. My laptop does the exact same thing... immediately the moment when the cooling fan ramps up to maximum speed it just keeps the Turbo frequency from going up higher for longer, due to these limits. The hotter it runs, the sooner it dips back down again after it peaks, so as to momentarily reduce the power again, dynamically on-the-fly.

Ahh okay i thought this was possible for my CPU/MB, but i guess not. The reason why i dont have a better GPU is because im not using it for gaming, but yeah if i start gaming again wich i think i will when Diablo 4 comes out, then i might change the GPU if i experience lag. I saw yesterday that Intel(R) Speed Shift Technology is turned on, but i'll check if EMTTM (Enhanced Multi-threaded Thermal Monitoring) is on ? and yeah i need a better cooler no matter what, i was just hoping that i could be more in turbo mode after getting a better cooler, but i guess F model sucks for tweaking anything lmao.

Yeah, I can see in your 2nd photo that Speed Shift is on. Thermal Monitor is also on, so EMTTM is on. Everything related to Turbo is on, except Dual Tau Boost, which is off due to the fact that the i7 12700F doesn't have "Intel® Thermal Velocity Boost (Intel® TVB) is a feature that opportunistically and automatically increases clock frequency above single-core and multi-core Intel® Turbo Boost Technology frequencies based on how much the processor is operating below its maximum temperature and whether turbo power budget is available. The frequency gain and duration is dependent on the workload, capabilities of the processor and the processor cooling solution."