16gb ram vs 32gb ram Upgrade

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  1. Posts : 2,068
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       #11

    The real question is whether you are getting continous PageFaults/sec which you can see in Resource Monitor under memory. If your system is paging to disk on the regular, getting more RAM can help out. However, if you don't have consistent paging, you may not have a need for more RAM.

    Typically more is better, but more doesn't necessary mean that you will have any performance increase.
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  2. Posts : 1,035
    Windows 10
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       #12

    Ghot said:
    If you wanna see the least "just Windows" uses... reboot the computer, then look at Task Manager.
    Wait for about 5 mins, for all the delayed start Services to get finished.

    16GB should be more than enough, but if you're seriously contemplating 32GB, then just get it now.

    Selling used computer parts is done all the time. But for low price items, there's not much point.
    Unless you have a lot of them.

    Let's say you pay $65 for the 16GB of RAM. Then in a year or two decide to sell it. You'll probably only get about $25 for it, then you might have to ship it somewhere.. etc.

    IF you get 16GB now, and later on decide you want 32GB... just put the 16GB in a drawer somewhere for spares.


    Now if you buy a $500 vid card and decide you want a more powerful one later on...THAT would be worth selling.






    /edit

    After a reboot, and on a pretty stripped down Windows 10 Home, I can get down to 2.1GB RAM used.
    As soon as I open my browser (FF), to the normal 3 tabs I have open, it's back to... 2.5GB.
    If I do a couple searches for things, maybe another two tabs open... I'm right back to about 3GB.

    Like I said, I pretty much stripped Win 10 Home down to the bare bones. No apps, one browser, one browser window, running no other programs.
    I get what you mean with the vid card but yea with the ram, i just thought... i dont need 32gb now. I dont think i would ever need the 16gb for spare because any new laptop i buy from now on... would be at least 16gb.


    But im surprised you use that much ram with windows 10. I always thought there was like some ram leakage or something like that with my laptop that caused this?.

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    pparks1 said:
    The real question is whether you are getting continous PageFaults/sec which you can see in Resource Monitor under memory. If your system is paging to disk on the regular, getting more RAM can help out. However, if you don't have consistent paging, you may not have a need for more RAM.

    Typically more is better, but more doesn't necessary mean that you will have any performance increase.
    What do you mean by that? You mean like the message you dont have enough ram to open more tabs? If so, that happened a few times but those rare times, i had like 60 plus tabs opened on chrome i think.


    But 16gb should be more than fast enough right? I mean if i use on average 6.5 ram out of 7.9gb ram ... if i upgrade to 16gb ram... and use exact programs like now... will it show around 6.5 ram used of like 15.8 ram? Or it would be like 10gb of 15.8gb ram?
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  3. Posts : 56,830
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       #13

    Nobody on earth can answer a plethora of "what-if" maybe could-be scenarios and give you anything remotely worth while. The more "?" encountered, the more levels of guessing, to their best ability.

    Your thread cannot possibly have a perfect no-miss answer. You've seen what others say. These are smart people. They are experienced. They are trying to help.

    As before....... the final decision is yours. Get the RAM or not.
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  4. Posts : 14,022
    Win10 Pro and Home, Win11 Pro and Home, Win7, Linux Mint
       #14

    Agreed, do what you can afford. Windows will make use of as much RAM as needed in supporting the programs you are using especially with video editing, photo editing, large spreadsheets and large databases, etc. My first computer, back in '92, had 4MB [yeah, MegaByte] RAM and the first needed upgrade was to 8MB when WordPerfect for Windows started stumbling at 8 pages of a document.
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  5. Posts : 1,035
    Windows 10
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       #15

    Hey, well i can afford paying an extra 62 dollars for the 32gb one. But my thought was... if its completely unnecessary, then i thought why should I. Example im buying a new ssd and i know 500gb is the absolute minimum i need... my 250gb is running out of space... but if i get 500gb ssd and will be cloning my old ssd to the new one... well it might run out of space in a few years but if i get the 1tb one... its going to take a very long time for it to run out of space. For space in ssd, make sense to get real big. But no way i get a 2tb one because that is something i would never ever fill up.


    But for the ram, i always heard 32gb is not necessary. But that was years ago. But nowadays, is standard ram 16gb or 8gb? Years ago, it was 8gb... and of course few years before that it was 4gb ram as standard. I mean when i look at computer configurations now when laptops are being sold, its mostly 8gb ram right now right or is it 16gb?
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  6. Posts : 31,675
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       #16

    paulyjustin said:
    But for the ram, i always heard 32gb is not necessary. But that was years ago. But nowadays, is standard ram 16gb or 8gb? Years ago, it was 8gb... and of course few years before that it was 4gb ram as standard. I mean when i look at computer configurations now when laptops are being sold, its mostly 8gb ram right now right or is it 16gb?
    Are you a gamer? I hear some games are greedy for as much RAM as they can get and would benefit from 32GB.

    8GB seems the norm these days. I have machines with 4GB, 8GB and 16GB. I can (and do) use video editing on a 4GB machine, though it's a bit faster in 8GB as there's less use of the swapfile.

    My 16GB machine is mainly used to run Hyper-V VMs. I can run half a dozen VMs simultaneously and still have a some free RAM left for the host machine's OS. For my use 32GB isn't necessary. What is your intended use? Only you can say if the 32GB would be beneficial.
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  7. Posts : 2,549
    Windows 11
       #17

    Berton said:
    Agreed, do what you can afford. Windows will make use of as much RAM as needed in supporting the programs you are using especially with video editing, photo editing, large spreadsheets and large databases, etc. My first computer, back in '92, had 4MB [yeah, MegaByte] RAM and the first needed upgrade was to 8MB when WordPerfect for Windows started stumbling at 8 pages of a document.
    I had a PackardBell in 1994 that was first gen Pentium and 133mhz 8mb of ram and a 8gb Hard drive and a 36.6 modem that was considered flying back then and oh boy i added another 8mb for 16mb of power baby AOL 2.5 lmao and Prodigy
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  8. Posts : 56,830
    Multi-boot Windows 10/11 - RTM, RP, Beta, and Insider
       #18

    paulyjustin said:
    Hey, well i can afford paying an extra 62 dollars for the 32gb one. But my thought was... if its completely unnecessary, then i thought why should I. Example im buying a new ssd and i know 500gb is the absolute minimum i need... my 250gb is running out of space... but if i get 500gb ssd and will be cloning my old ssd to the new one... well it might run out of space in a few years but if i get the 1tb one... its going to take a very long time for it to run out of space. For space in ssd, make sense to get real big. But no way i get a 2tb one because that is something i would never ever fill up.


    But for the ram, i always heard 32gb is not necessary. But that was years ago. But nowadays, is standard ram 16gb or 8gb? Years ago, it was 8gb... and of course few years before that it was 4gb ram as standard. I mean when i look at computer configurations now when laptops are being sold, its mostly 8gb ram right now right or is it 16gb?
    Here ya go, Justy. Another take on the whole thing.

    5 Things to Consider Before Upgrading Your PC’s RAM
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  9. Posts : 1,035
    Windows 10
    Thread Starter
       #19

    Bree said:
    Are you a gamer? I hear some games are greedy for as much RAM as they can get and would benefit from 32GB.

    8GB seems the norm these days. I have machines with 4GB, 8GB and 16GB. I can (and do) use video editing on a 4GB machine, though it's a bit faster in 8GB as there's less use of the swapfile.

    My 16GB machine is mainly used to run Hyper-V VMs. I can run half a dozen VMs simultaneously and still have a some free RAM left for the host machine's OS. For my use 32GB isn't necessary. What is your intended use? Only you can say if the 32GB would be beneficial.
    I play online poker and use programs that uses lot of ram and resources... well at least somewhat. I know for a fact there is no way i could play online poker and use those tracking programs with a regular hdd... an SSD is basically a requirement.



    I don't play any video games at all. Besides that, i have tons of chrome tabs opened, and play youtube music while playing. Again my ram that i use on avg when im doing all these things, im using at least 6.5gb/7.9gb so at least 80% ram at the miniminm, more like 85% ram.



    With 8gb ram, it rarely lags but sometimes lags when im playing. So i thought 16gb should be more than good enough. Then i thought... should i make it max 32gb? Then i recall reading years ago very few ppl need 32gb.
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  10. Posts : 1,255
    Windows 10 Pro
       #20

    Memory management in a modern OS is more complicated than it may seem.

    Applications themselves don't control how much memory they use. That is the job of the system memory manager and it will always try to maximize overall system performance. When available memory is plentiful the memory manager will let applications use pretty much whatever they want. Better to use the memory for something, even if it is only of trivial value than have it free and wasted. The memory manager could keep idle usage down to 1 GB or even less but that would be bad for performance.

    When the need fpr memory rises the memory manager will trim back the use of other processes as needed. If the memory gauge reaches 80% it is highly likely the memory manager has been working hard to keep it to that. But the standby list ( this is most of available memory) and process working sets will be restricted. Performance will suffer and it will only get worse as use rises. The memory manager will try very hard to avoid reaching 100% usage and will permit that only under extreme pressure and the system is starving for memory.

    If usage reached 80%, and often less, you would benefit from more memory.
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