Recommend hardware changes for upgrading from Win-7 to Win-10

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  1. ThrashZone's Avatar
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       #41

    Hi,
    Depends on how boot time is counted
    I've got a couple old machines from 2009 that boot faster than 1 minute and that's with fast boot/ hibernation disabled.
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  2. MisterEd's Avatar
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       #42

    ThrashZone said:
    Hi,
    Depends on how boot time is counted
    I've got a couple old machines from 2009 that boot faster than 1 minute and that's with fast boot/ hibernation disabled.
    What do consider boot time?

    I just booted my 10 year old desktop with Windows 10 Pro on a 1TB Samsung 870 EVO 2.5-inch SSD. It took about 1 minute to get to the desktop. Note that is dual boot with Windows 7 Home so it took extra time for the boot menu. Also, it takes time to log in. Without these it probably would have gone from cold boot to desktop in about 40 seconds.

    Note that this computer takes about 20-25 seconds for POST before the boot loader menu can load. There is nothing having an SSD can do to make that happen any faster.

    Were these OEM computers with only one hard drive drive and no optical drive? They tend to boot pretty fast.

    Have you disabled fast boot and hibernation just to make them boot faster? Hibernation has saved me a few times when I forgot to save things. For example I forgot about my laptop. When I checked on it the battery had run down. Since it had gone into hibernation before that all my work was saved.
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  3. ThrashZone's Avatar
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       #43

    Hi,
    I'd usually use this same used here in 10 restart time thread.
    Restart Time | Tutorials

    But yeah around 45 seconds is the norm which seems slower than reality but still less than one minute
    Both with cd/ dvd burners.

    I ditch hibernation because I have back up batteries
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  4. Posts : 19
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       #44

    Thanks to all the folks on this thread for your helpful comments. Particular thanks to Bree for earlier suggestions on how to create the media creation tool and install a free win-10 (64 bit) with my old Win-7 MS software key. Got the following hardware upgrades and rebuilt the computer and its working like a charm !!
    CPU - Intel i5-11600K
    MOBO - ASRock Z590
    RAM – Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB
    PSU - Seasonic S12III 650W
    SSD - WD Blue SN 550 500GB
    I decided to forego - for now - to make the computer capable to do flight simulation. The price of graphics processors have gone through the roof ~$800 on Amazon & out of stock at other vendors. I am told its because of the crypto currency the processors are being bought by the hundreds. I'll wait till the supply gets normalized. In the mean time am planning to use my old graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 8600.

    Reporting back on how the above upgrade is working. Everything is working well only if I connect the CPU's integrated graphics through its HDMI port. When I connect the NVIDIA GeForce GT video card it does not send any signal to the monitor. Yet it shows up under Display Adaptors in the Device Manager. I have upgraded its driver but still nothing. I also enabled the Graphics Adaptor in the BIOS (it was on Auto), & set the PCIE as the 1st source in the BIOS.
    What am I missing here. Do you think this old video card used with Win-7 32 bit is not compatible with the new MOBO & Win-10 64 bit? The tech support guy at ASROCK said it is not.
    Any suggestion on what else I can try to come to definite conclusion before I am compelled to buy a new GPU
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  5. Bree's Avatar
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       #45

    n2bn2b said:
    Got the following hardware upgrades and rebuilt the computer and its working like a charm !!
    Thanks for the update, glad to hear that.


    GPU hardware is not my area of expertise, but I'm sure other will be able to help there....
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  6. Geneo's Avatar
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    Windows 11 Pro x64
       #46

    n2bn2b said:
    Thanks to all the folks on this thread for your helpful comments. Particular thanks to Bree for earlier suggestions on how to create the media creation tool and install a free win-10 (64 bit) with my old Win-7 MS software key. Got the following hardware upgrades and rebuilt the computer and its working like a charm !!
    CPU - Intel i5-11600K
    MOBO - ASRock Z590
    RAM – Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB
    PSU - Seasonic S12III 650W
    SSD - WD Blue SN 550 500GB
    I decided to forego - for now - to make the computer capable to do flight simulation. The price of graphics processors have gone through the roof ~$800 on Amazon & out of stock at other vendors. I am told its because of the crypto currency the processors are being bought by the hundreds. I'll wait till the supply gets normalized. In the mean time am planning to use my old graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 8600.

    Reporting back on how the above upgrade is working. Everything is working well only if I connect the CPU's integrated graphics through its HDMI port. When I connect the NVIDIA GeForce GT video card it does not send any signal to the monitor. Yet it shows up under Display Adaptors in the Device Manager. I have upgraded its driver but still nothing. I also enabled the Graphics Adaptor in the BIOS (it was on Auto), & set the PCIE as the 1st source in the BIOS.
    What am I missing here. Do you think this old video card used with Win-7 32 bit is not compatible with the new MOBO & Win-10 64 bit? The tech support guy at ASROCK said it is not.
    Any suggestion on what else I can try to come to definite conclusion before I am compelled to buy a new GPU

    All good choices

    Are you booting in EFI mode? That requires a GOP EFI driver in your graphics driver firmware, which your's probably predates (though you might find a firmware update from the GPU manufacturer).
    If you have CSM disabled in BIOS, it will boot in UEFI mode. Try booting in legacy mode to see if this is the problem

    To do this set secure boot to OtherOS (this disables it).
    Then enable CSM (legacy BIOS mode). This maty require two steps (disable secure booitt, reboot, disable csm, reboot)/

    If CSM is already enabled, ignore what I said.
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  7. MisterEd's Avatar
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       #47

    Did you install the driver from Nvidia? Here is the driver for the U.S market.

    NVIDIA GeForce 8600

    Version: 342.01 WHQL
    Release Date: 2016.12.14
    Operating System: Windows 10 64-bit
    Language: English (US)
    File Size: 292.47 MB

    Supported Products
    GeForce 8 Series:
    ...
    GeForce 8600 GTS, GeForce 8600 GT, GeForce 8600 GS,
    ...

    Download
    NVIDIA DRIVERS GeForce 342.01 Driver WHQL
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  8. Posts : 19
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    Thread Starter
       #48

    Mr Ed.. Yes I had downloaded the driver directly from NVIDIA and loaded the 342.01 version of 11/14/2016.
    Geneo .. Yes I am booting in the EFI mode. I am not too knowledgeable about the bios & am not too comfortable in manipulating its elements to force it to boot in the legacy mode. I am afraid I might mess it up going back & forth with the boot process like you suggested. I am suspecting that the graphics driver is ancient (installed it originally in 2008) & I could not find anything with NVIDIA about updating the GeForce 8600GT firmware.
    Thanks anyway for your suggestions
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  9. Wannagofast's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
       #49

    I would just stay with the 11600k's integrated Intel® UHD Graphics 750 until you can get a better card.
    It will allow you to stick with UEFI boot and most likely perform quite a bit better than the old 8600GT.
    The 8600GT was a great card back in 2007, but not worth the effort to enable it for lower performance.

    Nvidia-GeForce-8600-GT-vs-Intel-UHD-Graphics-750

    peace
    wanna
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