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  1. Posts : 258
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       #31

    Thank you Gentlemen for your direction and advice. Going to buy the SSD for sure. I have no reason to choose AMD over Intel other than to give Intel a try, last one was a Pentium. So the i3-9100 sounds okay(adequate/fine). That Spectre this is something of a concern as I have never heard of it............. Does the i3-8100 have the same vulnerability????? AMD doesn't, correct?
    What benefit would I get with the m2.2280? Read something saying it was slower on boot up. SATA 6GB should be fine as far as I can tell.
    Figured I'd go for 16GB of RAM, to see if that helps any.
    I've used Gigabyte boards and am not unhappy. The Z390 seems to be near the top of the heap.
    Will have to change gears to switch to AMD because of vulnerability
    Getting close ......
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  2. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #32

    AMD does not have the vulnerability. As far as I know, the 8100 has the vulnerability, but Intel may have patched it? You can Google for the next 30 days and read a lot of fan-boy drenched comments about whether or not the vulnerability is in fact the end of civilization.

    m2.2280 is just a form factor, like 2.5 inch versus 3.5 inch drives. The more important factor is NVMe versus SATA. All versions of the MX500 are SATA. As far as I know, MX500 2.5 inch and MX500 m2.2280 would have similar performance, but I haven't checked.

    NVMe is considerably faster than SATA, but that difference would not be nearly as noticeable as HD versus SATA SSD.

    m2.2280 connects directly to a motherboard port, laying flat. No cabling, so neater.

    The Gigabyte board supports ONLY "M key" m2.2280 drives. The MX500 in m2.2280 form is not an M key drive. Notice the notching at one end of m2.2280 drives. M key drives have a single notch. I think ALL "M key" drives are NVMe, but there may be NVMe drives that are not M key? I'm not completely up to speed on that. The m2.2280 drives with 2 notches are referred to as "B key".



    You need to confirm your PSU cables are long enough to reach wherever they have to reach on your motherboard and that the PSU has the right connectors.

    And you need to decide whether or not you can reach a few dollars higher. If so, I'd probably lean toward moving to a low end i5.

    16 GB memory on an i3-9100? Or 8 GB on an i5-9400? You can add more memory later when affordable, but it isn't cost effective to swap an i3 for an i5 later.
    Last edited by ignatzatsonic; 25 Jun 2019 at 15:38.
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  3. Posts : 258
    Windows 10 Pro
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       #33

    Okay, the NVMe M2 goes to a PCIe dedicated slot on the Motherboard, correct. Communicating over the PCI bus is much faster than the fastest SATA. This leads us down the path of latest Generation. What does gen3X4 mean to you? Then add the notch thing and another fine mess I've gotten myself into (hope you are old enough to catch the reference).
    BTW do I want smart fans?
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  4. Posts : 258
    Windows 10 Pro
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       #34

    Separate thanks for mentioning the pitfalls!!!
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  5. Posts : 2,487
    Windows 10 Home, 64-bit
       #35

    This might help:

    Samsung NVMe SSD Product FAQs | Support | Samsung | Samsung Semiconductor Global Website

    gen3 x 4 refers to generation 3, utilizing up to 4 PCIe lanes. There is a gen 3 x 2 also.

    I'm not sure if NVMe drives necessarily require gen 3 x 4, but gen 3 x 4 seems to be common on current generation boards.

    "Smart fans"? I assume that refers to fan speed control in some way. I just use ordinary Noctua 4 pin PWM fans and control their speed through BIOS settings. Some boards have more elegant fan control than others. All of my fans are set to "silent" mode as I want to avoid noise and am not hysterical about temperatures. None of my fans ever runs above 800 rpm. A single intake, a single exhaust, and the PSU fan. If you don't have a video card, you shouldn't have temp issues unless you have a horrid case. But some folks are temp obsessed and will go to great lengths to reduce temps from 47 to 44 as if they are in a contest.

    I'm more than old enough to catch the reference..........................Ollie.
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  6. Posts : 258
    Windows 10 Pro
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       #36

    Thanks Ollie. Been updating my 1st oldest computer to W10 V1903 to see what trouble I can get into while trying to figure out my new build. I don't believe I really care that much about the M.2 NVMe drives. The Crucial SATA 6GB should be fine for a good long time IMHO!
    If I get a good board I can upgrade my processor and my memory in quantity and speed if I have a mind and a need to in the future, IIRC.
    Most Intel people don't worry about Spectre as far as I can see although I have been happy with AMD for a decade, well since the Athlon.
    Back to researching
    Glenn
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  7. Posts : 258
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #37

    How about a

    GIGABYTE B450 AORUS ELITE AM4 AMD B450 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard $104
    AMD Ryzen 5 2400G $134

    as an alternate platform with upgrade capabilities?
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  8. Posts : 19,518
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       #38

    I'm starting a budget build for a friend and it should be finished next week, just got to see with him if price is right. It will be based on Ryzen 2400g, Asus b450 MB, 2x4GB Kingston 3200MHz memory and Samsung 860 Evo SSD, 250GB as he also has couple of 1TB HDDs. Using his old Chieftec 650W PSU and DVD drive.
    Will show you the results if you are still interested. I feel that it's an ideal combo for his needs, mostly internet, entertainment and light gaming in a small package. He is now almost satisfied with his old system based on dual core AMD AM2 processor, 4GB of RAM and GT 730 GPU so this will feel like a super computer.
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  9. Posts : 258
    Windows 10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #39

    CountMike said:
    I'm starting a budget build for a friend and it should be finished next week, just got to see with him if price is right. It will be based on Ryzen 2400g, Asus b450 MB, 2x4GB Kingston 3200MHz memory and Samsung 860 Evo SSD, 250GB as he also has couple of 1TB HDDs. Using his old Chieftec 650W PSU and DVD drive.
    Will show you the results if you are still interested. I feel that it's an ideal combo for his needs, mostly internet, entertainment and light gaming in a small package. He is now almost satisfied with his old system based on dual core AMD AM2 processor, 4GB of RAM and GT 730 GPU so this will feel like a super computer.
    Yes Sir I am interested. All of the new AMDs use the AM4 sockets?
    Thanks
    Glenn
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  10. Posts : 19,518
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       #40

    glennc said:
    Yes Sir I am interested. All of the new AMDs use the AM4 sockets?
    Thanks
    Glenn
    Only Ryzen, there's also Threadripper with Tr4 socket
    https://www.amd.com/en/products/ryzen-threadripper
    and Epyc server processors https://www.amd.com/en/products/epyc-server
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