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  1. Posts : 19,518
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       #11

    Intel is not alone at the top any more. Give AMD Ryzen systems a chance, new ones coming up in a month and promise better performance for less money. This CPU and appropriate MB is what I would recommend judging by your description of your needs.
    More multi-core performance for a lot less: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 shown to frag the Intel Core i7-9700K in leaked Cinebench scores - NotebookCheck.net News
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  2. Posts : 258
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       #12

    Howdy Count Mike,
    Sounds like the AMD still have good stuff worth the look! I listed $500 as my maximum and I really don't want to spend that much. I will have to get some info on the different ssds and their speeds and idiosyncrasies.
    Thanks
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  3. Posts : 19,518
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       #13

    Do you have a half decent GPU like Gt1050(Ti) for instance ? That's important because Intel CPUs don't have good graphics and AMD PUSs with better graphics (APU) don't have stronger CPUs.
    Best of AMD is R5 2400g with Vega 11 graphics but CPU is 4 cores and 8 threads. Higher core/thread count CPUs don't have graphics. Your old machine is too obsolete to keep anything but case and HDDs.
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  4. Posts : 2,487
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       #14

    Here's another way to attack it, given a 500 budget:

    Decide on the board first, which means thinking about the boot hard drive and AMD/Intel. If you want NVMe as a boot drive, OK. Make sure the board has your required features. Quite possibly mATX rather than ATX.

    Figure on mid-level 8 gb RAM. DDR 4 2666 probably. Name brand, say G Skill or Crucial; figure 70 max

    Then the drive. Look at 240 to 256 GB Samsung, Intel, Crucial, WD. You might appreciate NVMe rather than SATA for speed. Figure 40 to 70 bucks, depending on whether you want 2.5 inch, m2.2280, SATA, or NVMe. Maybe the Crucial MX500 2.5 inch SATA at the low end and the WD SN750 NVMe M2.2280 at the upper end.

    Then everything else to the processor, maybe stretching to the last dollar, eating Ramen for a week.

    I know nothing about RAID. You may have to make compromises if you insist on RAID.

    I don't see why you would need a full ATX board unless RAID forces you to it.

    Board: 135; memory 65; drive 65; leaves 235 for the CPU. Eating Ramen for a week might bring that to 275 or 300.
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  5. Posts : 258
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       #15

    CountMike said:
    Do you have a half decent GPU like Gt1050(Ti) for instance ? That's important because Intel CPUs don't have good graphics and AMD PUSs with better graphics (APU) don't have stronger CPUs.
    Best of AMD is R5 2400g with Vega 11 graphics but CPU is 4 cores and 8 threads. Higher core/thread count CPUs don't have graphics. Your old machine is too obsolete to keep anything but case and HDDs.
    The gpu is to replace the onboard video that died. It is minimum. No gaming so thinking that onboard graphics will be okay. Unsure of the benefits of any hyperthreading...... What is an APU?? Won't my power supply work? Aaaargh this is getting complicated.
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  6. Posts : 19,518
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       #16

    APU: AMD Accelerated Processing Unit - Wikipedia
    Best APU right now is R5 2400g. https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-2400g
    Fits on all AM4 socket MBs, and there's quite a range of them. Because of relatively low power requirements doesn't need very strong (and expensive) MBs. but you also want may choose by what graphic outputs they have.
    MBs range from 50 - 60 bucks and up. I wouldn't be caught without 16GB of fast RAM but in some cases 8GB should do just don't forget that APU will take up to 2GB just for graphics.
    Although such system doesn't need much power, I wouldn't trust such old PSU unless you upgraded it lately.
    What's your favorite place to buy parts from ?
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  7. Posts : 258
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       #17

    ignatzatsonic said:
    Here's another way to attack it, given a 500 budget:

    Decide on the board first, which means thinking about the boot hard drive and AMD/Intel. If you want NVMe as a boot drive, OK. Make sure the board has your required features. Quite possibly mATX rather than ATX.

    Figure on mid-level 8 gb RAM. DDR 4 2666 probably. Name brand, say G Skill or Crucial; figure 70 max

    Then the drive. Look at 240 to 256 GB Samsung, Intel, Crucial, WD. You might appreciate NVMe rather than SATA for speed. Figure 40 to 70 bucks, depending on whether you want 2.5 inch, m2.2280, SATA, or NVMe. Maybe the Crucial MX500 2.5 inch SATA at the low end and the WD SN750 NVMe M2.2280 at the upper end.

    Then everything else to the processor, maybe stretching to the last dollar, eating Ramen for a week.

    I know nothing about RAID. You may have to make compromises if you insist on RAID.

    I don't see why you would need a full ATX board unless RAID forces you to it.

    Board: 135; memory 65; drive 65; leaves 235 for the CPU. Eating Ramen for a week might bring that to 275 or 300.
    Thanks for your time and patience. Since I am upgrading I am thinking about eventually maybe putting in a graphics card in the future. From a quick check, I don't think I need NVMe. So that would limit it to a real quality SSD of 250GB. My data is RAID 1, 1 drive data and 1 drive copy. Going to have to remember how I set that up.... The RAM you've mentioned and the amount sound fine.
    With $235 for CPU, what are you thinking in terms of? Still unsure if I need hyperthreading. The eventual upgrade to separate graphics and minor gaming might make a difference.
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  8. Posts : 2,487
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       #18

    Come to a conclusion on AMD versus Intel. Board shop rather than CPU shop.

    I wouldn't let the possible need for a graphics card at some unknown point in the future influence any decisions now. Think about graphics cards when you need one.

    I haven't used a video card in at least 10 years. I don't game and have no need for one.

    If you don't want NVMe, the Crucial MX500 is a well-regarded standard 2.5 inch SATA and is available for 40 bucks now at Newegg for the 250 gb model. The m2.2280 variation of the same drive is the same price. Add the savings to your CPU budget.

    Have you bothered to check how much RAM you are using at any given moment?

    You can always add some "like to have, but can't afford right now" stuff later--like a PSU replacement--or graphics card--or even more memory.

    For now, concentrate on AMD/Intel, board, and drives.
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  9. Posts : 258
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       #19

    CountMike,
    The AMD Ryzen 5 2400G is a dual core with hyperthreading? i3-8100 is a quad core, seemingly and price and performance comparable, or am I reading wrong?
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  10. Posts : 19,518
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       #20

    glennc said:
    CountMike,
    The AMD Ryzen 5 2400G is a dual core with hyperthreading? i3-8100 is a quad core, seemingly and price and performance comparable, or am I reading wrong?
    2400g is 4 cores with 8 threads (something like hyper threading in Intel). https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-5-2400g
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