Windows 10: Windows 10 1511 Network Browsing Issue

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  1. Posts : 48
    WIndows 10 Pro x64 version 1607 build 14393.447
       21 Dec 2015 #51

    A liitle explanation


    You should realize that on a network with more than one Windows system, you always need an active browser to be able to see other PC's in Windows Explorer. This is regardless of whether you have a server or not. If you have a server, it is likely also acting as master browser. If you have not, one of the "normal" PC's will act as master browser.

    This is why you can see the problem at hand, also when you do not have a server. But a normal router/switch/wireless will generally not act as browser server, so one of your PC's will do the job. Depending on the Windows version, it will use one or more SMB versions. If you have a Windows XP system and it happens to be the master browser, you will not see this problem on your Windows 10 system!

    Regards,

    Bart
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  2. Posts : 2
    Windows 10 1511 (10586.36)
       21 Dec 2015 #52

    This will fix the SMB issue until MS patches the problem - open a administrator command prompt and type the following hitting enter after each line.

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabled

    then Restart the computer

    To reverse this change and re-enable SMBv3 run the following commands at at the elevated command prompt

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= auto

    then Restart the computer
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  3. Posts : 48
    WIndows 10 Pro x64 version 1607 build 14393.447
       21 Dec 2015 #53

    Excellent! Thank you.

    Bart
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  4.    21 Dec 2015 #54

    Sage said: View Post
    This will fix the SMB issue until MS patches the problem - open a administrator command prompt and type the following hitting enter after each line.

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabled

    then Restart the computer

    To reverse this change and re-enable SMBv3 run the following commands at at the elevated command prompt

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= auto

    then Restart the computer
    These commands are also valid for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows 8.x?

    Thanks

    Bye
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  5. Posts : 48
    WIndows 10 Pro x64 version 1607 build 14393.447
       21 Dec 2015 #55

    If I understand things correctly, there is no need to do this on any Windows version except Windows 10 build 10565 or later.

    Other versions will cooperate nicely without these incantations.

    Bart
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  6.    26 Dec 2015 #56

    What about the Shares?


    Sage said: View Post
    This will fix the SMB issue until MS patches the problem - open a administrator command prompt and type the following hitting enter after each line.
    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabled
    I did this on the 2 vista PCs, the Windows 10 PC, and the Windows 8.0 PC. It fixed the problem of Windows 10 not listing the Windows 8 PC. Now, even though it's listed, it's shares are not accessible. What's worse is that before I could at least see the shares of the Windows 10 PC from the Windows 8 PC, but now the "no shares" problem exists on both PCs. Both Windows 10 and Windows 8 have no problem seeing and being seen by the 2 vista machines, including the shares. The problem is the shares are not visible on 8 from 10 or on 10 from 8.

    When I run the diagnostics on each PC, 8 can find no problem, while 10 says that some network protocols are missing on "this" PC, yet they all have identical configurations (6 of 7 boxes checked).
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  7.    26 Dec 2015 #57

    Sage said: View Post
    This will fix the SMB issue until MS patches the problem - open a administrator command prompt and type the following hitting enter after each line.sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsisc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabledthen Restart the computerTo reverse this change and re-enable SMBv3 run the following commands at at the elevated command promptsc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsisc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= autothen Restart the computer
    Thanks SAGE. I had been searching for a solution to this for ages. Have 3 x Windows 10 machines all build 1511 (10586.36) and whilst i could access my WD MY CLOUD drives manually via \\share\ , I had lost visibility of them in Windows Explorer. Your solution has restored visibility on all 3 machines. THANK YOU!

    Rob
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  8.    27 Dec 2015 #58

    How to enable and disable SMBv1, SMBv2


    Ronc said: View Post
    I did this on the 2 vista PCs, the Windows 10 PC, and the Windows 8.0 PC. It fixed the problem of Windows 10 not listing the Windows 8 PC. Now, even though it's listed, it's shares are not accessible. What's worse is that before I could at least see the shares of the Windows 10 PC from the Windows 8 PC, but now the "no shares" problem exists on both PCs. Both Windows 10 and Windows 8 have no problem seeing and being seen by the 2 vista machines, including the shares. The problem is the shares are not visible on 8 from 10 or on 10 from 8.

    When I run the diagnostics on each PC, 8 can find no problem, while 10 says that some network protocols are missing on "this" PC, yet they all have identical configurations (6 of 7 boxes checked).
    I'm replying to my own post with some new info I found about the "smb1 vs smb2" issue: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2696547 . That KB article tells us how to use powershell to check the state of the smb server in Windows and also how to change it. What I found was that the two PCs that I thought I had switched to smb1 using sc.exe, were still running both 1 and 2. So I followed the instructions to disable smb2 using powershell, re-ran the powershell "get" command, so now it states that smb1=true and smb2=false. The only problem is that I still have the same networking behavior: Windows 8 and 10 can't see each other's shares, while they have no problem seeing the 2 vista PCs's shares and having their own shares be seen by the vista PCs.

    UPDATE: See correction below. Server commands different than client commands.
    Last edited by Ronc; 28 Dec 2015 at 04:28.
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  9. Posts : 138
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit BETA
       27 Dec 2015 #59

    Ronc said: View Post
    I'm replying to my own post with some new info I found about the "smb1 vs smb2" issue: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2696547 . That KB article tells us how to use powershell to check the state of the smb server in Windows and also how to change it. What I found was that the two PCs that I thought I had switched to smb1 using sc.exe, were still running both 1 and 2. So I followed the instructions to disable smb2 using powershell, re-ran the powershell "get" command, so now it states that smb1=true and smb2=false. The only problem is that I still have the same networking behavior: Windows 8 and 10 can't see each other's shares, while they have no problem seeing the 2 vista PCs's shares and having their own shares be seen by the vista PCs.
    Tou have to use the client commands, it's the client that is broken, not the server;
    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabled

    in an elevated command prompt
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  10.    28 Dec 2015 #60

    DoItJust said: View Post
    You have to use the client commands, it's the client that is broken, not the server;
    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= disabled in an elevated command prompt
    My mistake, you're correct. According to the link I posted, Microsoft did make a distinction between servers and clients. Of course, now that the network lists are complete for the Win8, Win10, and Vista PCs seen in File Explorer, I still wonder what I should do to get Winsows 8 and 10 to see each other's shares. The shares on these two PCs have no problem seeing and being seen by the Vista PCs. It's just that 8 and 10 can't share anything with each other.
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