Windows 10: HOMEGROUP NIGHTMARE IN WIN 10 phantom ghost messing up all networking

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  1.    18 Nov 2015 #1

    HOMEGROUP NIGHTMARE IN WIN 10 phantom ghost messing up all networking


    who cares about all the "bells and whistles" if our computers cannot do BASIC networking of our home computers (desktops and laptops) to share files? the HOMEGROUP is abominable. old phantom homegroups, started from a computer which has been wiped clean for install to 8.1 or win 10 are ghosts which NEVER DISAPPEAR. no other computer on network can either "join" or "leave" without the phantom running (which of course is impossible as the computer name no longer exists)

    no other computer is able to "leave" either. nothing but error messages. impossible to set up a new "homegroup"

    MS has completely ABANDONED any effort to FIX THIS TERRIBLE MONSTER of "HOMEGROUP" it created which is an
    absolute DISASTER. MS needs to STOP working on useless "bells and whistles" and GO BACK TO FIXING THE ABSOLUTE BASICS of what USERS want. a NETWORK WHICH FUNCTIONS (like it did in XP and Win 7) where you could SEE every computer on your network, every day, and transfer files flawlessly.
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  2.    18 Nov 2015 #2

    I feel your pain!

    After letting this big November update install on three computers Homegroup and networking is totally messed up.

    After the updates I assumed Homegroup was working, but it is kaput. Even the computer that created the Homegroup is stuck on Verifying Password. What happened to the options to change the password or leave the Homegroup as W7 has. Strange thing is if you do a search in W10 using "change Homegroup password" it shows all the options available in W7, but they don't link to anything.

    Setting up networking has been a struggle also. I have been working on and off for three days and today all the machines see each other and can share files. The settings for a private network were the same on all machines but the only one with a local account was the only on that showed any networking when this mess started. It's working now but I have no idea why.

    Rant over... Drew
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  3.    18 Nov 2015 #3

    for users who lost their network (or even the ability to see their own public folders on their own computer) these are the "services" which affect networking and homegroup; for some unknown reason the new 10586 build is not triggering certain services related to NW and HG from "starting" could be firewall. you can "turn off" firewal when you shut down computer. restart and maybe it stops blocking needed services from starting; then after you see your computers in NW folder, turn it back on for protection. also you could edit any one of the following services to o "automatic" to see if that helps. once you see the network you could try editing back to "manual" to conserve resources until you stop seeing you computers in NW (then you know that service is not "triggered" and is the problem)
    the following services affect NW and HG get to them by hitting windows key+R (type "services.msc" and hit return) invokes services.

    any one of the below items could cause inability to proper functioning of your network, homegroup, or logging on to work servers

    BITS
    BTIS
    COM+sys appl.
    computer browser
    DHCP
    DNS
    Home Group Listener
    Home Group Provider
    Link Layer Topology Discovery Mapper
    Netlogon
    Network Connected Services Auto-Setup
    Network Connections
    Network Connectivity Asst
    Network List Svs
    Network Location Awareness
    Network Setup Svs
    Network Store Interface Svs
    Peer Name Resolution Protocal
    Peer Networking Grouping
    peer Networking Identity Mgr
    Plug & Play (USB wireless network adaptors)
    REMOTE Desktop Config, Svs, Vs, User, RPC, RPC locator

    DO NOT ENABLE REMOVE REGISTRY as this makes you vulnerable to attack if a remote user can edit your registry

    Routing and Remote Access
    RPC Enpoint Mapper
    Secure Socket Tunneling
    SSDP Discovery
    TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
    UPnP device host (make sure USB wireless adaptor does not stop functioning)
    Windows Connect Now (wireless WPS setups)
    Workstations (for remote servers using SMB protocol
    WLAN autoconfig

    choices are disabled, manual, automatic (uses resources)

    good luck. if anyone figures out the "fix" for all the corruption of network and homegroup in build 10586 please POST

    I love all the new features in 10586 and how fast and easy it is to use but the new build is absolutely USELESS if user cannot have BASIC NETWORK & Homegroup which worked flawlessly in XP, Win 7 and Win 8.1 you will have to roll back to 10240 if you need Network
    (very few users use a home computer as a stand alone machine)










    BITS
    BTIS
    COM+sys appl.
    computer browser
    DHCP
    DNS
    Home Group Listener
    Home Group Provider
    Link Layer Topology Discovery Mapper
    Netlogon
    Network Connected Debvices Auto-Setup
    Network Connections
    Network Connectivity Asst
    Network List Svs
    Network Location Awareness
    Network Setup Svs
    Network Store Interface Svs
    Peer Name Resolution Protocal
    Peer Networking Grouping
    peer Networking Identity Mgr
    Plug & Play (USB wireless network adaptors)
    REMOTE Desktop Config, Svs, Vs, User, RPC, RPC locator
    DO NOT ENABLE REMOVE REGISTRY as this makes you vulneable to attack

    Routing and Remot Access
    RPC Enpoint Mapper
    Secure Socket Tunnelling
    SSDP Discovery
    TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
    UPnP device host (make sure USB wireless adaptor does not stop functioning)
    Windows Connect Now (wireless WPS setups)
    Workstations (for remote servers using SMB protocol
    WLAN autoconfig
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  4.    18 Nov 2015 #4

    Well don't use the homegroup feature. Without a homegroup networking works the way it did in the good old Windows XP days
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  5.    19 Nov 2015 #5

    Homegroup Nightmare


    altae said: View Post
    Well don't use the homegroup feature. Without a homegroup networking works the way it did in the good old Windows XP days
    I tried not using homegroup by disabling all homegroup services in services. msc; however, it did not cure the network
    corruption. still could not "see" my own public files on my own computer in the network folder. could not access them!
    I had to roll back to 10240 in order to access any file in my "public" folder which was 90% of my files as I share them
    over our home network. only confidential files are kept in "documents" folder which is not shared anywhere.
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  6.    19 Nov 2015 #6

    Ok, but now you've hopefully left the homegroup with all pcs and switched to standard networking? I have not trusted the homegroup feature since it's introduction. It's one of the simplified features that scream for troubles by their very description. What's more it's incompatible to anything not Microsoft.
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    Windows 1.00 to Windows 10 Pro 64-bit Build 14971.1000
       19 Nov 2015 #7

    altae said: View Post
    Ok, but now you've hopefully left the homegroup with all pcs and switched to standard networking? I have not trusted the homegroup feature since it's introduction. It's one of the simplified features that scream for troubles by their very description. What's more it's incompatible to anything not Microsoft.
    OK, I've managed to get networking working on my PC and 3 VMs in Hyper-V. And Homegroups!

    I have yet to solve problem of networking to my wife's physical PC.

    I'll report back with my progress.
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  8.    19 Nov 2015 #8

    Ok there is an Win10 update poste - who wants to go first


    KB3118754 - has anybody tried this to resolve?
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  9.    19 Nov 2015 #9

    KB311874 is the patch the updates 10586.3 to 10586.11 which is what we already have on our machines as the SECOND upgrade (after the first rollback 10 10240) WAS 10586.11 (which included the patch) when you do upgrade it checks for "updates" before downloading the new clean 3 gig version to install which the incorporates the most recent patch into the version downloaded to install.

    you can check which version you have by hitting windows+return to invoke the command dialogue box, then type WINVER (hit return)
    it will post exactly what version you have installed. in our case it returned 10586.11 so the one we downloaded and installed had KB3118754 incorporated into it (otherwise, we would have seen 10585.3 after the WINVER command)

    REMINDER: always invoke the settings menu, then POWER and change "monitor turnoff" and "computer sleep/turnoff" to NEVER before downloading the 3 gig install, because if not during the process if your computer goes to sleep or turns off the process is CORRUPTED
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  10.    20 Nov 2015 #10

    geekgirl said: View Post
    REMINDER: always invoke the settings menu, then POWER and change "monitor turnoff" and "computer sleep/turnoff" to NEVER before downloading the 3 gig install, because if not during the process if your computer goes to sleep or turns off the process is CORRUPTED
    You would think the OS would be aware of itself performing a major operation and suspend power management features until complete.

    * Allowing the monitor to turn off is harmless, btw. *
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