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  1.    22 Oct 2015 #1
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    Homegroup, was fine now unable to access any other PC or Laptop


    Had HomeGroup running fine until yesterday. My PC on Win10 could access our Laptop on Win 8.1 and the Laptop access my PC. Today both are 'unavailable' to the other .
    I tried leaving the HomeGroup on both machines then created a new HG on My PC, opened up the Laptop only to find my option was not to JOIN the new HG but to create a new one, obviously the Laptop could not see the HG I had just set up on the PC. Tried it round the other way, creating a HG on the Laptop and attempted to join it on the PC but again was only given the option to create a new HG. Even typing in the same password to both machines did not help.
    I also found that my PC today could not access our printer but the Laptop could and could also print.

    After around 5 hours of messing around I am at a loss to understand what has screwed up something that was fine yesterday and even more annoyed I cannot seem to fix it.

    Any suggestions would be very welcome!!!
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  2.    22 Oct 2015 #2
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    Maine
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    Don't know if this will work for you, but have you tried this...
    1) Turn off all computers and reboot the one that you wanted to set up the homegroup.
    2) After reboot, that computer will changed from "you are invited to join homegroup" to "create a homegroup"
    3) create a homegroup
    4) turn the other computer on one by one and join homegroup with password.

    Just thought I would mention this, it was posted by another member in here.
    Mike...
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  3.    22 Oct 2015 #3
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    Hi Mike.
    Thanks for the suggestion, it nearly worked.....
    Did as you suggested and shut down both machines, started up my PC and successfully created a new HG. Then opened up my Laptop and under networking found that I could join the HG created by my PC.

    I clicked 'Join' then entered in the password, after a while watching the green line slider, I then received the message:

    "Windows no longer detects a HomeGroup on this network. To create a new HomeGroup click OK then open HomeGroup in control panel"

    So my Laptop could see my new HG and advised I could join it but was unable to do so.

    So near yet so far.....
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  4.    22 Oct 2015 #4
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    Ok Trapper, then you might want to read this post that is on windows 8 forum, made by topgundcp a while back. This method does not use homegroup at all!!! Actually shows you how to disable homegroup. This is the same method I use now, as I was sick of using homegroup. Both my computers work fine over my network, and both see my printer, I do have my printer plugged in to my router tho. That is the best way to connect your printer, IF your printer allows for that type of connection. Anyhow read this tutorial
    and then you can decide. here is the link......

    http://www.eightforums.com/network-s...tml#post211075
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  5.    22 Oct 2015 #5
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    Wow, that looks rather complicated, my printer is now printing that out (Yes, that seems to be working now) so will have a good look at it later, I have a Belkin adaptor not netgear so need to check out that variation.

    As said, so near yet so far. HomeGroup has been fine for a couple of months so do not see why it should go wrong. Hopefully someone will be able to advise how to fix it without a major operation........

    My thanks Mike for your help, as always, help on 7 & 10 forums has been quick and excellent.
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  6.    22 Oct 2015 #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper View Post
    Wow, that looks rather complicated, my printer is now printing that out (Yes, that seems to be working now) so will have a good look at it later, I have a Belkin adaptor not netgear so need to check out that variation.

    As said, so near yet so far. HomeGroup has been fine for a couple of months so do not see why it should go wrong. Hopefully someone will be able to advise how to fix it without a major operation........

    My thanks Mike for your help, as always, help on 7 & 10 forums has been quick and excellent.
    Its just an option for you to consider, nothing more. I just got tried of using homegroup, and this works better for me. As far as changing your IP address's on your router, I did not change mine at all. I didn't do that step and everything runs fine. I don't use a laptop thou, both my babies are desktop computers. My netgear router does not change my IP address's its newer than the one in the tutorial, maybe that's why.... But lots of folks use homegroup in here, so hopefully someone will give you more options to try. Good luck!!!!
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  7.    24 Oct 2015 #7
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    Still no luck, this is driving me insane.

    I have setup a new Homegroup on my main PC 'Alans' on this PC I do not have any credentials set up, only a login password.
    On my wife's laptop I have tried to JOIN the homegroup set up my main PC, this fails as shown below.

    However my PC can be seen in the laptops file explorer (All screenshots taken on the Laptop) but I cannot access the PC also as shown below. When I try to access my PC it would seem to do so, showing an Audio file (Which is on my PC) and a user file which does not contain anything other than a migration file (I think that was what is was called).

    So this laptop cannot join the homegroup but can see a PC that is on the homegroup. At one point on the laptop I was asked to enter a username and password in a 'Windows Security' Popup Window, with the domain shown as this laptop, as the PC has neither username or password credentials this makes entering them impossible!

    I hope someone can shed some light on a solution as my wife is giving me grief.Click image for larger version. 

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  8.    24 Oct 2015 #8
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    Ok try turning off option 1 under public folder sharing to OFF than reboot both computers, same setting on both....than see what happens next.....I had mine off, when I use to use homegroup.
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  9.    24 Oct 2015 #9
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    Thanks for the fast reply!
    Well one was off and one was on for public folder sharing, set both to OFF and rebooted, same error. Set both to ON rebooted, same error.
    Also tried disabling Bitdefender AV but made no difference.

    Found these settings in Bitdefender Firewall, don't know if they relate to my problem or not....

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  10.    24 Oct 2015 #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trapper View Post
    Thanks for the fast reply!
    Well one was off and one was on for public folder sharing, set both to OFF and rebooted, same error. Set both to ON rebooted, same error.
    Also tried disabling Bitdefender AV but made no difference.

    Found these settings in Bitdefender Firewall, don't know if they relate to my problem or not....

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    Well I know nothing about bitdefender at all, so not much help with you on that firewall. If you haven't changed those settings since when your homegroup was working then most likely that it not affecting your homegroup.

    Those settings have to be the same thou....and you just said one was off, and one was on......that could still be your problem, as they MUST be the same. Back to square one......set homegroup up all over again, turning lap top off after you leave homegroup, and same with your desktop, leave homegroup, reboot, start over.......said you were real close last time, follow same instructions as you did back then......and make sure settings are the same. leave lap top off.....after leaving HG.
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