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  1. J G
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       #11

    Thanks Denis, I did start a reply at about 6:30pm but had a call from my client saying I could gain access to the site so that I could set up remote access and I've only just got back.

    I had some time to properly evaluate - and map - exactly which PCs could gain access to each other, and you are quite correct in assuming that I was relying upon File Explorer's Network section display - I can't recall ever having a problem with it in the past

    Using the annotations that I set out in my first post, I can now be definitive in reporting which PCs can access which others - or not - as the case may be!

    [A] & [B] can both see both Drives and Files on each other. Both can see the Drives on [D] but cannot access the files. Neither of them has any access to [C] - any attempt to even list the drive icon (it only has a drive C: ) results in the "Ask your Administrator" message.

    [D] can see the drives on [A] & [B] but can only access the Files on [B] ???

    [D] also seems to have no access to [C] - ie. File Explorer reports that it cannot find the resource - EXCEPT - the main program (SOM) which resides with its database on [C] can be run from [D] and looking at the 'properties' of the short cut (on [D]) will allow me to click on [Open File Location] and that opens File Explorer and displays all files - in that folder, I can't navigate out of there.

    The customer has never been able to use the printer connected to [C] via [D]. The printer IS shared but is not seen by the 'Add Printer' option on [D] - even by manually typing in the path.

    It occurs to me that the people who supplied the SOM Software may have set up restrictions on access to the C: drive (on [C]) so I'll be begging a question to them shortly.

    One other aspect that I haven't yet mentioned; the old PCs are using Microsoft Accounts - with an e-mail address - which I don't do, I always use a 'Local' account - so I couldn't create a new account for ME on either of them. If someone could provide sensible instructions in that respect, I'd be grateful.

    I will now read through the rest of your excellent post, particularly the info on how the forum works.
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  2. Posts : 664
    WIN 10 19045.4291
       #12

    Never (!) share files on the C-Partition. Make sure that each PC has a 2nd Partition (D:) for remote file access. From there it's easy to handle shares.
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  3. J G
    Posts : 19
    Win 7 Ultimate, Win 10, Win 11
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       #13

    I agree with your principle Pentagon but I'm taking over the responsibility for two PCs (the old Server & Client [C] & [D]) which were set up by 'A,N. Other' some time ago and only had Drive C: created. I am well aware that I can shrink the partition (there is plenty of space) and create a new Drive D: but there are other factors involved which (currently) I am not fully aware of. The software vendor has yet to answer my queries.

    For the past 30+ years I have built many PCs and ALWAYS create at least two extra partitions (D: [Data] & P: [Programs]) beyond the Boot Partition drive C: - I even prefer - as I've done in this instance - to use two drives. The new PCs have a 256Gb M2 SSD which has 'C:' & 'P:' and a 1Tb HDD partitioned again as 'D:' & 'E:' - - - Drive E: will be used for a daily auto-backup of Drive D: from the other PC

    Ultimately the older PCs will be retired from their current use when the updated software is full tested and then I will be in a position to start afresh with a completely new installation of Windows and I will re-partition the Drive as C:, D: & P: (at least).
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  4. Posts : 16,950
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       #14

    J G said:
    so I couldn't create a new account for ME on either of them. If someone could provide sensible instructions in that respect, I'd be grateful.
    The fact that they have MSAccounts does not stop you creating a local account at all. I don't understand why you think it does.
    Add Local Account or Microsoft Account - TenForumsTutorials


    my ditty - Create two spare local, password-protected Admin accounts [post #2] - TenForums


    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  5. J G
    Posts : 19
    Win 7 Ultimate, Win 10, Win 11
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       #15

    Thanks again for your input Denis. I assumed that it would be possible (to add 'Local' Account) but I couldn't see an option. I'll review your link - - - but maybe not tonight :) - The Duvet Calls

    Hmmm. . . ADDED !! - well it is to one PC . . .

    Previously I didn't get past the "Microsoft Account" - this time I looked for 'Add user without a Microsoft account'

    Tomorrow I'll add the MD to all the PCs which may well solve some of the issues.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Well, a partial success.

    I have been able to add new users (The MD & Me) to three of the four PCs. On the fourth I have completed all the fields on at least 5 occasions but when I click on [Next] the fields go blank and I'm not returned to the previous screen with the new 'user' shown - - - it Just 'hangs'.

    I have now done a 'Map' so that anyone interested can get a better idea of what I can & can't do - A 'Picture' is worht a 1000 words I'm told :)

    Access not permited across network-network-map.png

    - - - Updated - - -

    It seems that there are a few 'anonomolies' - - - the fact that to get access from [D] to [C] requires the Log-On Password for [C] rather than [D] is very odd! Using the known password to log on to [D] results in a block.

    With Full access from [D] to [B], why is there not the same access from [B] to [D] ?

    Why can't I view the Folders/Files on drives C;, D:, E: & P: on [A], [B] & [C] where I can for 'Users'?
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  6. Posts : 16,950
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #16

    J G said:
    I have completed all the fields on at least 5 occasions but when I click on [Next] the fields go blank and I'm not returned to the previous screen with the new 'user' shown - - - it Just 'hangs'
    I wonder if Brink has seen that. You could ask in the tutorial thread.

    Not knowing anything about Pro or about managed networks, I also wonder if some Policy is causing this behaviour. I doubt it because I would have expected any anti-new-user Policy to prevent you even starting the procedure.

    If you do not get a quick resolution of this particular topic, I suggest you create a new thread about it.
    - Do post a link here as I'd like to follow it.


    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  7. J G
    Posts : 19
    Win 7 Ultimate, Win 10, Win 11
    Thread Starter
       #17

    Thanks Denis,

    As you'll appreciate, I've not yet found the 'Tutorial' thread - that's a job for this afternoon :) along with reading other links you've mentioned!

    I'm having some difficulty in staying logged in and subscribed to even this thread. I must have [subscribed] & [logged in] a dozen or more times - even though I've ticked the [Remember Me] box. ????

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thanks Denis,

    As you'll appreciate, I've not yet found the 'Tutorial' thread - that's a job for this afternoon :) along with reading other links you've mentioned!

    I'm having some difficulty in staying logged in and subscribed to even this thread. I must have [subscribed] & [logged in] a dozen or more times - even though I've ticked the [Remember Me] box. ????

    The navigation on this forum also seems alien (to me)
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  8. Posts : 16,950
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #18

    J G said:
    It seems that there are a few 'anonomolies' - - - the fact that to get access from [D] to [C] requires the Log-On Password for [C] rather than [D] is very odd! Using the known password to log on to [D] results in a block.
    With Full access from [D] to [B], why is there not the same access from [B] to [D] ?
    Why can't I view the Folders/Files on drives C;, D:, E: & P: on [A], [B] & [C] where I can for 'Users'?
    I'm sorry, I know nothing about that situation.
    As noted in my checklist, I always create a local account with both the same UserName & the same password on every computer.


    Denis
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  9. Posts : 664
    WIN 10 19045.4291
       #19

    What is the IP and Sharename of
    1. SERVER (C)
    2. SLAVE (D)

    Access not permited across network-network-map.png

    Each PC must have a password!
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  10. J G
    Posts : 19
    Win 7 Ultimate, Win 10, Win 11
    Thread Starter
       #20

    Thanks Denis,

    As you'll appreciate, I've not yet found the 'Tutorial' thread - that's a job for this afternoon :) along with reading other links you've mentioned!

    I'm having some difficulty in staying logged in and subscribed to even this thread. I must have [subscribed] & [logged in] a dozen or more times - even though I've ticked the [Remember Me] box. ????

    The navigation on this forum also seems alien (to me)

    I do now see the [Tutorial] and [Brink] - that looks like a very useful resource :)

    It so happens that the PC that refuses to complete the Account set up is using Win 11 - - - but so is the other new PC which added both acounts without a hitch.

    Maybe I need to create a ne account in the Windows 11 section ??
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