Cannot connect to wifi after upgrade to Windows 10

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  1. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
       #1

    Cannot connect to wifi after upgrade to Windows 10


    I had always expected a few glitches after doing an in-place upgrade from Win7 to Win10 (v21H1) on my Samsung RF511 laptop (which is a few years old but in theory capable of handling Win10). After sluggish boot-up and touchpad issues (raised in separate posts), this one is about wifi connection.

    The problem is simple. No wifi. Ethernet (which uses a Realtek adapter) works fine, so my internet connection as such is good. When trying to make a wireless connection, the laptop running Win 10 "sees" the wifi link. The router is a Netgear, again not the latest model. It has WPA password-key protection. But running Win10 now, the laptop "can't connect".

    The laptop has a Broadcom 802.11n network adapter. With Win7 before the upgrade, the wifi connection worked fine. When dual-booted into Linux Mint on the same machine, the wifi connection still works fine. This suggests that both the Netgear router and the Broadcom adapter hardware are operating properly. The only thing that has changed is the upgrade to Win 10.

    I have run the Win10 wifi troubleshooter. I've done the standard steps it asks (switch the router off and on again...). It says there is a problem.... but offers no suggestions for how to solve it.

    I have looked at the network adapter properties/drivers. The driver is v.5.100.82.95 which appears to date from 2011. It is said to be working properly. Windows Updates offers no more recent version, and trying 'update driver' in Device Manager brings the message that the installed driver is the right or best one.

    The Broadcom support website is hopeless, but I did find, download and install a more recent driver - v.7.5.340.0 dated 2015. No solution - the wifi still will not connect.

    A laptop that can only connect via ethernet hard-wiring is not very useful. So what else can I try in order to get a wifi connection?
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  2. Posts : 42,983
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #2

    You could get a USB WIfi adaptor e.g.
    Wireless adapters - Cheap Wireless adapters Deals | Currys PC World

    Otherwise you're down to luck and finding a driver that works.
    Consider trying to contact owners of the same type of device e.g. via the Samsung forum.
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  3. Posts : 8,107
    windows 10
       #3

    try setting the router to open does it then connect often old drivers dont understand new encryption dropping it back a bit often works
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  4. Posts : 42,983
    Win 10 Pro (22H2) (2nd PC is 22H2)
       #4

    One interesting experiment might be to try booting from a Win 10 live boot disk such as Hiren's or Bob Omb's.

    If that works, and your touchpad works (other thread) then you could back up the driver in use and restore that in your Win 10 build.
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  5. Posts : 16,948
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #5

    Brian,

    Try these methods of getting a better driver.
    1 Reinstall the Windows 7 driver that worked for you before.
    2 Go to the Lenovo support site for your model and search for your WiFi driver even though it is likely to be a Windows 7 version. It might well work.
    3 Go to the Lenovo support site and search for your WiFi card by the name given in Device manager, Network adapters. Perhaps they used it in a later model with a later driver.
    4 Search for a driver by the device's HardwareID. There's a guide in my ditty - search for drivers by HardwareID - TenForums

    And do consider replacing the 802.11n WiFi adapter with an 802.11ac or even 802.11ax one. I did this on a laptop.
    - I noted its specs and also took off the casing and photographed it both in position & on its own so I could see all its connections.
    - I searched Amazon for internal WiFi adapters <my computer model> then shortlisted the millions on offer by limiting it to 4* reviews only.
    - I then limited it further by accepting that I might as well get one that also ran Bluetooth [even though I had not, at that time, ever used Bluetooth***].
    - I then read the product descriptions and narrowed down my shortlist to ones that explicitly stated my computer model as being compatible & that showed a photo to prove the connection matched mine.
    - I then read the user reviews and narrowed down my shortlist to ones with a review that explicitly stated that they had been used successfully with my computer model.


    *** This was one of my better incidental decisions. I always use Bluetooth mice now. They do not tie up a USB connection. Their only drawback is that they do not work in Bios but my touchpad does and so does the emergency USB mouse I never got around to throwing away after I'd bought my first Bluetooth one.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  6. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Hello Denis... and thanks for those suggestions.

    Just one key point to flag up. We're not talking Lenovo. A week or few ago I did indeed upgrade my Lenovo T430 laptop from Win7 to Win10, and had to seek advice in this forum on one or two things (in that case, I needed to be sure about activation as the laptop was a second-hand ex-corporate machine). I also added an mSATA SSD, and it's dual booted with Linux Mint. Broadly speaking, everything worked out pretty well.

    Now I'm engaged in upgrading what has been my main daily computer.... a Samsung RF511 which I bought new in 2012 (doesn't seem that long!). It's dual boot as well, but configured slightly differently and with more OEM software and other apps that I have added over the years.

    The in-place upgrade from 7 to 10 means - as I understand it - that all the drivers which worked in Win7 were retained. One or two software programs which were not compatible with Win10 were removed by the upgrade-installer (inc the Bluetooth adapter which had been OEM). I had expected that once Win10 was installed and running, Windows Update might offer or recommend more recent drivers where necessary, but none are listed....

    Unfortunately the Samsung support site and community is nowhere near as useful as the Lenovo one - which is one reason I'm looking to this forum. The two immediate glitches (which are not fatal) are the fact that the touchpad won't scroll in some Win10 apps - and I have recently seen (in a separate forum thread) what the cause is. It's to do with Microsoft redesigning some important apps using UWP. Nor sure whether updating driver to newer version will help: that remains to be explored.

    The other issue (this thread) is that wifi won't connect. I'll look into your ideas for tracking down alternative drivers - and then maybe the radical surgery of replacing the adapter. Problem is, the existing adapter works fine under Linux Mint dual booted on this very Samsung machine. And since I use Mint as much or more than Windows, I'm reluctant to tamper with the wifi adapter for the sake of getting Win10 to connect, if that risks messing up how Mint works with the existing setup. I just don't need Win10 so badly that I'd be willing to disrupt my Mint install which works fine....

    So - on we go. I think it's what they call a learning curve!
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  7. Posts : 16,948
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #7

    br1anstorm said:
    The in-place upgrade from 7 to 10 means - as I understand it - that all the drivers which worked in Win7 were retained.
    The upgrade has probably overwritten the drivers with Windows 10 versions [if Windows update has access to relevant ones]. The only way to know is to check in Device manager and compare it to notes you made when you were running Windows 7 but, failing that, checking the driver version & date might also tell you [but might not].
    - In one case, I upgraded a Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 and the upgrade replaced the good Win7 driver with a poor Win10 one. As I'd once had problems with it in Win7, I had kept a copy of the good Win7 driver so I reinstalled that and it worked well in Win10. I had obtained the good driver from the MS Update catalog in the first place but the upgrade had chosen to put in the poor one anyway.

    You might also search online, and in a Samsung user forum if there is one, for something like Samsung RF511 Windows 10 upgrade to see if there is useful advice from others who have done the same as you.


    I should have included in my first post that I had also searched online for change WiFi adapters <my computer model> and that also helped with refining my purchasing shortlist.
    I always thought the replacement job had been worth the expense & the effort because using the internet was so much faster with the new adapter.

    Best of luck,
    Denis
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  8. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #8

    More fragments of information from searching the internet.

    When Win10 first came out (back in 2014-15?) Samsung laptops simply couldn't cope. Installation of Win10 simply hung and wouldn't complete. It seems that the Broadcom wireless adapter was a problem. There are some YouTube videos which show that if the Broadcom adapter was physically removed, then Win10 would install. But reinstating the Broadcom adapter after that was not helpful. Wifi simply didn't work.

    There was apparently a similar issue with Qualcomm wireless adapters in some Samsung models too. And the impression from the many forum posts is that neither Samsung nor Microsoft were bothered to do anything to address the problem.

    The solution mentioned in several forum posts - and this echoes the @Try3 approach - is to abandon the Broadcom adapter completely and insert an Intel N-7260, but with one of the terminals (#51 - Bluetooth) taped over! Not clear if there are other makes or models of adapter that would be equally good or better.

    Not exactly an encouraging picture. Makes me think I should bin Win10 on this laptop and just run Linux on it. Much less faffing around! But I might do more research on the Intel card (or others) first, just to see what the alternatives are.
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  9. Posts : 31,651
    10 Home x64 (22H2) (10 Pro on 2nd pc)
       #9

    br1anstorm said:
    ....The laptop has a Broadcom 802.11n network adapter....

    ...I have looked at the network adapter properties/drivers. The driver is v.5.100.82.95 which appears to date from 2011. It is said to be working properly. Windows Updates offers no more recent version, and trying 'update driver' in Device Manager brings the message that the installed driver is the right or best one.

    In the current version of W10 Device Manager no longer searches the web or Microsoft for better drivers, it's saying that the current driver is the best one out of all the drivers currently available on your PC. The task of looking for better drivers is now handled by Windows Update. Click 'Check for update', any drivers it finds should be listed under 'optional updates'.

    The Broadcom support website is hopeless, but I did find, download and install a more recent driver - v.7.5.340.0 dated 2015. No solution - the wifi still will not connect.

    The Microsoft Update Catalog holds recent drivers.

    https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...20windows%2010

    Cannot connect to wifi after upgrade to Windows 10-image.png

    The one highlighted in the screenshot is 7.35.295.2 and comes from Broadcom (the one above it is from Toshiba, the three below from Acer, ASUS and another Acer).

    The download comes as a .cab file which you can open in File Explorer to copy the contents to a folder from where you can do the install.
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  10. Posts : 91
    Windows 7, Windows 10, Linux Mint
    Thread Starter
       #10

    Win 10 and Broadcom wifi adapters


    Hello (again!) @Bree, and welcome to another discussion I've launched about how to deal with Win10-related glitches.

    Thanks for your suggestions about finding alternative Broadcom wifi drivers. Your explanation - that Device Manager doesn't go looking for driver updates but just checks what's already available within the computer - is useful.

    In the wake of the Win7 to Win10 upgrade on this Samsung machine, I have needed to check if updated drivers were on offer for the wifi adapter and also (see separate thread) for a Synaptics touchpad that wouldn't always scroll. I turned to Windows Update. But in neither case did it offer more recent drivers for either the wifi or the touchpad.

    The Microsoft Update Catalog is a source and reference that I wasn't previously aware of. It's useful, but tedious to search through especially where there are long lists, because you have to look at the details of each individual entry to discover whether the driver is for Dell, Acer, Toshiba, Samsung or whatever (the search function doesn't enable that kind of granularity).

    In this particular case you've kindly done that for possible alternative Broadcom drivers for me. Thanks. The one you've highlighted is v.7.35.295.2. I had already found a similar option - there is a typo in my earlier post which you quoted, as the option I found was v.7.35.340.0. (I had typed just 3 instead of 35). The numbering suggests that is perhaps a slightly more recent version of the one you have flagged up. When I tried that one, it didn't work..... I do wonder whether it's worth trying the one you have identified: the problem seems to be more fundamental than just the driver-version.

    I have the impression - from the many posts on various forums , and YouTube videos - that the Broadcom wifi adapter just won't work with Win10 - in Samsungs, and perhaps also in other models of laptop. The only solution seems to be to physically replace the adapter itself with an Intel 7260 or other alternative. Tedious but not impossible, and not terribly expensive. I'm pondering whether to go down that road.
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