Is this the ISP's DNS at fault?


  1. Posts : 24
    w10 pro
       #1

    Is this the ISP's DNS at fault?


    We have two routers in our house, one is for a sort of VPN (smartdnsproxy), which is hardwire ethernet connected into the router supplied by our ISP

    Several times a day when I type a url then "not found". Using a command window I type ping (whatever.com) and back comes
    Ping request could not find host whatever.com. Please check the name and try again.
    So I change to the wifi from vpn-router and I get connected.

    I don't want to use the "vpn" too much, just seems like poor security to me

    This has to be our ISP's unreliable dns doesn't it? So I should login to their router and choose a different dns? Which? DNS1 and DNS2 or just 2?

    Thanks
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  2. Posts : 4,201
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Latest RP
       #2

    Do you have access to the settings for your ISP router ? If so you should be able to set your DNS address manually ...

    If not you can go into the DNS settings in the network setups for each of your devices and set the primary and secondary DNS addresses- the system is setup to use the first DNS found in the order of ...

    Device set DNS Primary, Secondary.
    Router Set DNS, Primary, Secondary.
    ISP Default DNS Primary, Secondary

    Personally I use Cloudflare for Primary 1.1.1.1 & Google for Secondary 8.8.8.8. [although its often setup to use the Cloudflare or Google primary as primary and retain the ISP primary as secondary DNS if your ISP uses private dns for its own services ,(not common)]

    And rarely have any issues ( some of the more secure sites do are not recorded in DNS databases)
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  3. Posts : 822
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #3

    One way to find out what is going is to open a command prompt or in powershell and use nslookup

    ping is not the best way to figure out what is going on some sites disable answering ping or if the server is busy it will just drop the request

    Code:
    PS C:\Users\mydig> nslookup whatever.com
    
    Server:  pi11.pi11
    Address:  192.168.200.11                                                                                                                                                                 Non-authoritative answer:
    Name:    whatever.com
    Address:  184.168.131.241
    Lets break that down so you understand what the above means

    this is the name of the DNS server that you are currently using (yes I run my own DNS server on my local network)
    Code:
    Server:  pi11.pi11
    This is the IP of the DNS server you are currently using
    Code:
    Address:  192.168.200.11
    The is the URL that you are interested in.
    Code:
    Name:    whatever.com
    This is the IP of the URL that you are interested in
    Code:
    Address:  184.168.131.241
    if the site is not found it will show something like this
    Code:
    *** pi11.pi11 can't find bbbbbbbbmkjajsagh.com: Non-existent domain
    If your search finds nothing or you think its your ISP's fault you can direct your query to another server with nslookup like this.
    Code:
    nslookup whatever.com 1.1.1.1
    You could also try tracert command to see where it is getting hung up
    tracert uses the ping command and if the site your interested in blocks ping it might not be so helpful

    Code:
    tracert whatever.com
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  4. Posts : 24
    w10 pro
    Thread Starter
       #4

    Thanks both
    I've done what Barman58 suggested. primary dns .1.1.1 secondary using ISP's original. It'll take a couple of days to be certain.
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  5. Posts : 822
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #5

    secondary using ISP's original
    If your ISP is blocking the web site you want to view then it will probably still be blocked.

    Primary and secondary DNS server's may not work in the way most people expect, Windows and most other operating systems will use the fastest server whether it's primary or secondary and in your case I can almost guarantee you that it will use your ISP because it will be the fastest.

    EDIT:
    If you want to find the best (fastest) try Domain Name Speed Benchmark

    GRC's | DNS Nameserver Performance Benchmark

    download (it's at the bottom of the page)
    https://www.grc.com/files/DNSBench.exe
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  6. Posts : 24
    w10 pro
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Digital Life said:
    If your ISP is blocking the web site you want to view then it will probably still be blocked.
    Primary and secondary DNS server's may not work in the way most people expect, Windows and most other operating systems will use the fastest server whether it's primary or secondary and in your case I can almost guarantee you that it will use your ISP because it will be the fastest.
    EDIT:
    If you want to find the best (fastest) try Domain Name Speed Benchmark
    GRC's | DNS Nameserver Performance Benchmark
    download (it's at the bottom of the page)
    https://www.grc.com/files/DNSBench.exe
    It's not blocking. As often as not I ping the ISP's own website
    Following the hypothesis that the isp's dns is unreliable (I think this is more than a hypothesis, I think it must be the case) then I should still be ok. I'm still wondering about if there is any need to keep their dns

    Thanks
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  7. Posts : 2,734
    Windows 10
       #7

    I had the problem a couple of times and on the first occasion the ISP changed to Google public DNS servers, then they were changed back to what they usually used.

    When it happened again just changed it in the Modem/Router from Automatically provided by ISP to Google public DNS for both primary and secondary IP addresses.
    Been good ever since.

    I did the tests for fastest ones, but that was rather pointless as the differences were so small.
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  8. Posts : 4,201
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Latest RP
       #8

    The Cloudflare and Google DNS servers are on a higher speed level, [ No 1 & 2 in independent industry tests], to any of the ISP DNS Servers

    Speed is not the only parameter that affects the choice of Server

    With Cloudflare and Google, Plus the New 9.9.9.9 service, there are multiple server locations so there should be one as close, or closer, to the user than their ISPs server. and they also run directly on the Main Internet backbone so have faster access to less popular addresses when fetching from the official Nameservers, [many are actually operated by Cloudflare or Google]

    There is also the availability factor to take into account, The top DNS Servers will be available 24/7/365 and have sufficient capacity to serve many more users than they do now, something that a smaller ISP system cannot guarantee - It could be that the failure, or delay, of the ISPs server to return the site requested could simply be because they are overloaded due to the limit of their bandwidth
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  9. Posts : 10,740
    Windows 11 Workstation x64
       #9

    One other thing to note with Cloudflare and Google DNS servers is that the results are generally fresher, in my experience ISP DNS can be stale and not as quick to update.
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  10. Posts : 822
    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #10

    Not sure if your interest but Cloudflare has some additional servers for blocking malware and they also have servers to block porn.
    Introducing 1.1.1.1 for Families


    Malware Blocking Only
    Primary DNS: 1.1.1.2
    Secondary DNS: 1.0.0.2

    Malware and Adult Content
    Primary DNS: 1.1.1.3
    Secondary DNS: 1.0.0.3

    For IPv6 use:
    # you do not have to use the below unless your running a IPv6 network only, If you have a IPv4 address use the above.

    Malware Blocking Only
    Primary DNS: 2606:4700:4700::1112
    Secondary DNS: 2606:4700:4700::1002

    Malware and Adult Content
    Primary DNS: 2606:4700:4700::1113
    Secondary DNS: 2606:4700:4700::1003
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