W10 Sharing on LAN -- Need to REFRESH Network to access shares

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  1. Posts : 11,180
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #1

    W10 Sharing on LAN -- Need to REFRESH Network to access shares


    Hi there

    Anybody got a solution to this

    I have a LAN with various computers of different OS'es sharing HDD's. If I just leave them idling (i.e nothing running - no sleep / Hibernate / HDD disconnects etc) I find if I try and connect to a SHARE FROM or TO a W10 machine that hasn't been used say for 20 - 30 mins it initially comes up Can't access machine\device. I then list NETWORK in File explorer and after the display right mouse click and choose REFRESH.

    Hey Bingo all connects again.

    A SERVER should be able to idle all day and all night until it's needed !!!!

    It's VERY annoying though - I'm testing a Media server on W10 -- I don't want to have to keep going up to the computer from my remote TV and refreshing the network because the DNLA server has dropped out from the Network the next time I want to watch a movie.

    Doesn't happen on XP / W7 / W8/8.1 or any Linux box I have. Only happens with connections TO and FROM the W10 machine(s) - doesn't make any difference either if the W10 machines are REAL or VM's.

    I'd accept even a script as a workaround that could run every 10 mins say to automate the refresh -- but it's really annoying if you are away from your computers and have to keep coming back to refresh the Network. (At least I'm getting plenty of exercise running up and down stairs.

    I don't want to mess about with remote commands using a Mobile phone though -- i'm testing for some people who wouldn't have a clue how to do that - they just want to switch on and the Box works !!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. Posts : 166
    Win 10 Pro 64Bit
       #2

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there

    Anybody got a solution to this

    I have a LAN with various computers of different OS'es sharing HDD's. If I just leave them idling (i.e nothing running - no sleep / Hibernate / HDD disconnects etc) I find if I try and connect to a SHARE FROM or TO a W10 machine that hasn't been used say for 20 - 30 mins it initially comes up Can't access machine\device. I then list NETWORK in File explorer and after the display right mouse click and choose REFRESH.

    Hey Bingo all connects again.

    A SERVER should be able to idle all day and all night until it's needed !!!!

    It's VERY annoying though - I'm testing a Media server on W10 -- I don't want to have to keep going up to the computer from my remote TV and refreshing the network because the DNLA server has dropped out from the Network the next time I want to watch a movie.

    Doesn't happen on XP / W7 / W8/8.1 or any Linux box I have. Only happens with connections TO and FROM the W10 machine(s) - doesn't make any difference either if the W10 machines are REAL or VM's.

    I'd accept even a script as a workaround that could run every 10 mins say to automate the refresh -- but it's really annoying if you are away from your computers and have to keep coming back to refresh the Network. (At least I'm getting plenty of exercise running up and down stairs.

    I don't want to mess about with remote commands using a Mobile phone though -- i'm testing for some people who wouldn't have a clue how to do that - they just want to switch on and the Box works !!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Hi Jimbo

    You've probably checked this but... If you open Device Manager and open the properties for the Ethernet Connection. Click on the Power Management tab, have you switched off both 'Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power' and 'Only allow a magic packet to wake the computer'?

    (I have a Windows 10 PC with My Movies installed, a collection of 32 TB of movies on various NAS devices and a Win 7 HTPC running Media Centre and mine all work great, so it must be a setting somewhere. :))

    Regards
    UKMedia
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  3. Posts : 11,180
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
    Thread Starter
       #3

    UKMedia said:
    Hi Jimbo

    You've probably checked this but... If you open Device Manager and open the properties for the Ethernet Connection. Click on the Power Management tab, have you switched off both 'Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power' and 'Only allow a magic packet to wake the computer'?

    (I have a Windows 10 PC with My Movies installed, a collection of 32 TB of movies on various NAS devices and a Win 7 HTPC running Media Centre and mine all work great, so it must be a setting somewhere. :))

    Regards
    UKMedia
    Hi there

    WINNER --thanks --I thought I'd turned off everything that switched off / quiesced the computer -- note also set the Wireless adapter on a laptop too.

    Needed re-boot of the entire network to get this propagated around all machines -- might not have been totally necessary but it's all working fine now.

    This sort of stuff really should be made clear to people especially as Home networking is really totally mainstream now.

    anyway +1 for you.

    Cheers
    jimbo
      My Computer


  4. Posts : 166
    Win 10 Pro 64Bit
       #4

    jimbo45 said:
    Hi there

    WINNER --thanks --I thought I'd turned off everything that switched off / quiesced the computer -- note also set the Wireless adapter on a laptop too.

    Needed re-boot of the entire network to get this propagated around all machines -- might not have been totally necessary but it's all working fine now.

    This sort of stuff really should be made clear to people especially as Home networking is really totally mainstream now.

    anyway +1 for you.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Great news
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  5. Posts : 45
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #5

    I have noticed this same thing and was just about to make a post about it. I've already disabled the power management settings and even updated my Ethernet drivers and the same issue still occurs. I am NOT running my machines in a homegroup, just a simple network. I guess I have some more digging to do.
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  6. Posts : 11,180
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
    Thread Starter
       #6

    hattrik21 said:
    I have noticed this same thing and was just about to make a post about it. I've already disabled the power management settings and even updated my Ethernet drivers and the same issue still occurs. I am NOT running my machines in a homegroup, just a simple network. I guess I have some more digging to do.
    Hi there

    Try Powering OFF COMPLETELY all the machines in the LAN for 30 mins before re-booting. Reset your Router, flush the DNS stuff and also disable any USB / other power settings that "switch off" or Quiesce after a period. Disable HIBERNATE and SLEEP and turn off any settings that disable HDD's after a period.

    These are in Power settings (advanced) but there are others all over the place --it's a real DOG's DINNER. !!!

    Cheers
    jimbo
      My Computer


  7. Posts : 45
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #7

    I think I solved it. I posted this in another similar thread as well but here is what I've done and so far all is working like it should.


    • Updated my Ethernet card drivers
    • Made sure the power management for my Ethernet was disabled as far as turning it off to save power
    • Enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP under the IPv4 settings
    • Made sure the following Services were running. (A few of mine were not so I started them and set them to Auto start)
    • DHCP Client
    • HomeGroup Listener
    • HomeGroup Provider
    • Link-layer Topology Discovery Mapper
    • Network Connections
    • Network List Service
    • Network Location Awareness
    • TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
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  8. Posts : 45
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #8

    Nope still seeing the issue. ARGH!
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  9. Posts : 166
    Win 10 Pro 64Bit
       #9

    hattrik21 said:
    Nope still seeing the issue. ARGH!
    Hi Hattrick21

    Did you change the power setting in Device Manager, as per my #2 post? (My set-up is also using Workgroups and I can leave mine running for days, without this issue - sorry this didn't help! :) )

    Regards

    UKMedia
      My Computer


  10. Posts : 45
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #10

    Yeah UKMedia I have verified that setting is off among many other things. I thought I had it fixed as my shared folder list kept coming up but as soon as I tried to open one of them, the issue popped up again saying it couldn't connect to the network resource. A refresh or 2 and then I could access the shares.
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