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  1. Posts : 14
    Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) SP1 (build 7601)
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    Networking 3 Windows 10 machines


    I am trying to network three Windows 10 computers; i.e.,
    • MomsLaptop - Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.720),
    • DadsDesktop - Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.720), and
    • DadsLaptop - Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.720).


    FYI... Before posting this request for assistance, I successfully implemented Options One and Two in Share Files and Folders Over a Network in Windows 10.

    Each computer has two user accounts. The name of the first user account is the same name as the computer and name of the second user account is Joe. (Both are administrators.)

    When all three computers are signed in under their Joe user accounts, I can network all three computers successfully.

    However, when each computer is signed in under its unique name; i.e., MomsLaptop, DadsDesktop, and DadsLaptop:
    • DadsDesktop can access the files shared by DadsLaptop, but cannot access the files shared by MomsLaptop,
    • DadsLaptop can access the files shared by DadsDesktop, but cannot access the files shared by MomsLaptop, and
    • MomsLaptop can access the files shared by DadsDesktop, but cannot access the files shared by DadsLaptop.


    Comment: I would have expected the last bullet point to read, "MomsLaptop cannot access the files shared by DadsDesktop or DadsLaptop."

    How do I begin to troubleshoot this, please?

    Thanks!

    gfr92y
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  3. JackHughs's Avatar
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    Start with DadsDesktop. Go to the address bar in File Explorer and type \\MomsLaptop\users\user. Wait for at least 30 seconds and if good luck is with us, you should be able to access all the shares on MomsLaptop.

    JackHughs
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  4. Try3's Avatar
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    Q1 Option 1 of the tutorial you mentioned includes checking the
    Network & sharing centre,
    Change advanced sharing settings.
    Are they all the same on each computer?

    Q2 Does every computer have the same "WorkGroup" name?
    Start menu,
    Windows system,
    Control panel,
    {View by - Large/Small icons},
    System,
    under the sub-heading Computer name, domain & workgroup settings.
    [the control to change them is on the right there}

    Q3 When you first tried to access one computer from another, did you get a dialog asking for "network credentials"? To get through this dialog, you enter the username & password of an admin account that exists on every computer and that has the same password on every computer. Manu people create an additional local password-protected admin account on each computer just for this purpose.

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 24 Mar 2020 at 06:30.
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  5. Posts : 14
    Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) SP1 (build 7601)
    Thread Starter
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    oscer1 said:
    As I stated in my original post, I already tried Options 1 and 2.

    Are you suggesting Option 3 may help me network my 3 computers?

    gfr92y
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  6. Posts : 14
    Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) SP1 (build 7601)
    Thread Starter
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    JackHughs said:
    Start with DadsDesktop. Go to the address bar in File Explorer and type \\MomsLaptop\users\user. Wait for at least 30 seconds and if good luck is with us, you should be able to access all the shares on MomsLaptop.

    JackHughs
    .
    Jack,

    Sorry for not acknowledging your assistance earlier. I have been distracted by some family matters and am only now getting back to the networking issue. I will be back shortly.

    Joe

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    Try3 said:
    Q1 Option 1 of the tutorial you mentioned includes checking the
    Network & sharing centre,
    Change advanced sharing settings.
    Are they all the same on each computer?

    Q2 Does every computer have the same "WorkGroup" name?
    Start menu,
    Windows system,
    Control panel,
    {View by - Large/Small icons},
    System,
    under the sub-heading Computer name, domain & workgroup settings.
    [the control to change them is on the right there}

    Q3 When you first tried to access one computer from another, did you get a dialog asking for "network credentials"? To get through this dialog, you enter the username & password of an admin account that exists on every computer and that has the same password on every computer. Manu people create an additional local password-protected admin account on each computer just for this purpose.

    Denis
    Denis,

    Sorry for not acknowledging your assistance earlier. I have been distracted by some family matters and am only now getting back to the networking issue. I will be back shortly.

    Joe

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    gfr92y said:
    As I stated in my original post, I already tried Options 1 and 2.

    Are you suggesting Option 3 may help me network my 3 computers?

    gfr92y
    Oscer1,

    Sorry for not acknowledging your assistance earlier. I have been distracted by some family matters and am only now getting back to the networking issue. I will be back shortly.

    Joe
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  7. Posts : 14
    Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) SP1 (build 7601)
    Thread Starter
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    oscer1 said:

    I implemented the following options from the tutorial Oscer1 recommended above without success; i.e., DadsLaptop and DadsDesktop still cannot access files on MomsLaptop when using an [Alt] [File] [Open] sequence, for example. (Note: All of the machines are running Windows 10 - Version 1909 (OS Build 18363.720).)
    1 (Set Up File Sharing on a Windows 10 PC),
    2 (Share File or Folder using "Give access to" Context Menu),
    4 (Share File or Folder using Share tab in File Explorer),
    6 (Share Folder using Sharing Properties), and
    7 (Share Folder or Drive using Advanced Sharing)

    I did find some hope in that JackHughs' recommendation (see below) did work for accessing files directly, but not for accessing them using an [Alt] [File] [Open] sequence.

    JackHughs said:
    Start with DadsDesktop. Go to the address bar in File Explorer and type \\MomsLaptop\users\user. Wait for at least 30 seconds and if good luck is with us, you should be able to access all the shares on MomsLaptop. JackHughs

    Following are my responses to Try*3 questions/suggestions...

    Try3 said:
    Q1 Option 1 of the tutorial you mentioned includes checking the
    Network & sharing centre,
    Change advanced sharing settings.
    Are they all the same on each computer?

    Yes, all of the Option 1 instructions were implemented on all 3 machines.

    Try3 said:
    Q2 Does every computer have the same "WorkGroup" name?
    Start menu,
    Windows system,
    Control panel,
    {View by - Large/Small icons},
    System,
    under the sub-heading Computer name, domain & workgroup settings.
    [the control to change them is on the right there}

    Yes, all 3 computers have the same "WorkGroup" name.

    Try3 said:
    Q3 When you first tried to access one computer from another, did you get a dialog asking for "network credentials"?

    No, when I try to access MomsLaptop from either DadsLaptop or DadsDesktop by an [Alt] [File] [Open] sequence or directly from Windows Explorer, I get the error message: "Windows cannot access \\MOMSLAPTOP; You do not have permission to access \\MOMSLAPTOP. Contact your network administrator [which is me] to request access. For more information about permissions, see Windows Help and Support."

    Try3 said:
    To get through this dialog, you enter the username & password of an admin account that exists on every computer and that has the same password on every computer. Manu people create an additional local password-protected admin account on each computer just for this purpose.
    Denis

    I used just that approach to network 2 Windows 10 and 1 Windows 7 machine and once I entered the common username and password, I was set without regard to which user account I was on or even after frequent Restarts and Shutdowns. However, that method does not work when DadsLaptop tries to access MomsLaptop or when DadsDesktop tries to access MomsLaptop, except when I sign in to the common username account on DadsLaptop. Then is allows DadsLaptop to access MomsLaptop, but does not transfer to when I sign in under my regular user account.

    I sure hope someone can help me solve or troubleshoot my problem!

    Thanks!

    Joe
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  8. Try3's Avatar
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    Joe,

    1 In case it is significant, I do not know what you mean by your references to
    [Alt] [File] [Open] sequence


    2 Your
    You do not have permission to access \\MOMSLAPTOP
    message makes me wonder if you have really shared any folders on \\MOMSLAPTOP but that is one of the checks that you have already done. You have shared with 'Everyone'?

    3 Does Control panel, Network & sharing centre show your home network to be Private or Public? I think, from your other comments, that it must be Private - as it should be.
    Networking 3 Windows 10 machines-private-network.png Networking 3 Windows 10 machines-public-network.png

    4 When you attempt to connect using File explorer, does any warning about 'network discovery' being off appear? I think not but thought it worth checking.

    5 In File explorer, if you write the location of a shared folder into the address bar instead of just \\MOMSLAPTOP does the folder appear?
    \\MOMSLAPTOP\SomeSharedFolderName
    Added later - I can see that you have already said this works alright.

    6 Please would you open File explorer on each computer, select its Network entry and post a [cropped] screenshot of what appears on the right-hand side of each one.

    7 I'm going to sit down and read the whole thread again now because I really cannot see anything to explain what the problem is. Perhaps I've been missing something.


    I'll post again soon,
    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 07 Apr 2020 at 09:22.
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  9. Try3's Avatar
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    Joe,

    I thought this had been checked before but there is no mention of it. Like my earlier suggestions, I think it is probably already set correctly.
    Joe must have the same password on each computer [not just the same username on each computer] and it must be a real password not just a blank one.

    Denis
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  10. Try3's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 20H2 Build 19042.928
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    Joe,

    I'm afraid I am out of ideas. I wondered about the following while I was re-reading this thread, the tutorial & a couple of other TenForums threads**. Just like my earlier suggestions, I think you have already checked these so no further action would seem worthwhile:-
    - have there been any computername, workgroupname, Joe [username] or Joe [user] password changes since you first started trying to connect the computers?
    - have you checked the router to make sure there are no settings there affecting access?
    - have you tried forgetting this network on each computer [Settings, Network] then connecting again in order to redo the making the network discoverable setting? [If you do so then you might also consider, before connecting again, deleting the entry in each computer for all the other computers in Control panel, Credential manager, Windows credentials.]

    Since I cannot help, all I have done is reduce the chances of somebody else joining the thread - when people see lots of posts in a thread they tend to assume the matter is being taken care of so don't often bother looking at the thread.
    - You could consider consolidating all your statements about the network setup & the checks you have done and putting them in a single consolidated statement in a new thread [If you do then post a link here. I would watch but not join in.]

    All the best,
    Denis

    ** I read these as well in the hope of finding inspiration
    Windows cannot access \\KEN-PC, yet \\KEN-PC\SharedFolder works
    1803 Windows cannot access, Do not have permission to access \\name.
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