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  1. JackHughs's Avatar
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       #11

    Back in Post #7 you said that you could access the network shares on MomsLaptop by typing \\MomsLaptop\users\user.

    This is good inasmuch as it shows that you have a functioning network and that your computer is capable of resolving the computername "MomsLaptop" into a correct ip address. Practically speaking, you have 100% of what you need to use your LAN. You just can't use it the way you want.

    My personal experience with exactly the same problem was that I could never solve the "permissions" issue so I simply continued to use this method to access my other computer. After about two weeks, the permissions problem resolved itself and everything has been fine since then.

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  2. Posts : 14
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       #12

    Try3 said:

    Joe,
    1 In case it is significant, I do not know what you mean by your references to
    [Alt] [File] [Open] sequence
    Denis

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  3. Try3's Avatar
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       #13

    Joe,

    Opening a network address from within an application is evidently more problematic than when using File explorer.

    Whilst I can appreciate that an application might take longer to respond than File explorer, I have never seen anybody explain the subject.

    I've just been playing with mine by disconnecting then reconnecting network computers but, unlike your case, my Word 2007's FileOpen dialog either showed the network correctly or displayed a 'network discovery turned off' message [if I was too quick & the network drive & its access permissions were still being resolved after reconnection].

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 07 Apr 2020 at 17:22.
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  4. Posts : 14
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       #14

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    Try3 said:
    2 Your message makes me wonder if you have really shared any folders on \\MOMSLAPTOP but that is one of the checks that you have already done. You have shared with 'Everyone'?
    I just checked to be sure, DESKTOP, DOCUMENTS, and DOWNLOADS on MOMSLAPTOP are shared using Read/Write and Full Control permissions with:
    • Everyone,
    • MOMSLAPTOP//DadsLaptop,
    • MOMSLAPTOP//Joe, and
    • MOMSLAPTOP//Sue.

    Notes
    • Sue is the primary administrator user account on MOMSLAPTOP.
    • DadsLaptop is the primary administrator user account on DADSLAPTOP.
    • DadsLaptop is also the name of an administrator user account on MOMSLAPTOP with the same password as DadsLaptop on DADSLAPTOP.
    • Joe is an administrator user account on both DADSLAPTOP and MOMSLAPTOP, both with the same password that I hoped would allow me to network MOMSLAPTOP, DADSDESKTOP, and DADSLAPTOP just like it allowed me to successfully network MOMSLAPTOP, DADSDESKTOP, and an older laptop, JIMSLAPTOP, a Windows 7 machine that is now a doorstop in my library.

    Try3 said:
    3 Does Control panel, Network & sharing centre show your home network to be Private or Public? I think, from your other comments, that it must be Private - as it should be.
    Attachment 273438 Attachment 273439
    All three machines are set to Private network.
    Try3 said:
    4 When you attempt to connect using File explorer, does any warning about 'network discovery' being off appear? I think not but thought it worth checking.
    No, since undertaking this project, I have never received any warning about "network discovery" being off. (All three machines are set to Network Discovery ON.)
    Try3 said:
    5 In File explorer, if you write the location of a shared folder into the address bar instead of just \\MOMSLAPTOP does the folder appear?
    \\MOMSLAPTOP\SomeSharedFolderName
    Added later - I can see that you have already said this works alright.
    Correct, at JackHughs' encouragement, I typed "\\MomsLaptop\users\sue" into the address bar in File Explorer of DADSLAPTOP and DADSDESKTOP and the sub-directory "sue" on MOMSLAPTOP opened and displayed all of the shared files under "sue".
    Try3 said:
    6 Please would you open File explorer on each computer, select its Network entry and post a [cropped] screenshot of what appears on the right-hand side of each one.
    Networking 3 Windows 10 machines-ddm.jpg
    7 I'm going to sit down and read the whole thread again now because I really cannot see anything to explain what the problem is. Perhaps I've been missing something.
    I'll post again soon,
    Try3 said:
    Denis

    I would greatly appreciate any assistance anyone can give me with the incredibly difficult networking problem!

    Thanks!

    Joe
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  5. Samuria's Avatar
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       #15

    Are you sharing users document and folder in their profile as they have special permissions gained from above even on the pc as admin its likley your cant connect to other users files. You should be trying to connect to a share not the pc you trying \\\mootherpc it should be \\motherpc\sharename.

    if your account and password are the same on the other pc and admin open a cmd prompt then try

    net use s: \\motherpc\c$
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  6. Posts : 14
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       #16

    Try3 said:
    Joe,

    I thought this had been checked before but there is no mention of it. Like my earlier suggestions, I think it is probably already set correctly.
    Joe must have the same password on each computer [not just the same username on each computer] and it must be a real password not just a blank one.

    Denis
    The local administrator accounts DadsDesktop and Joe on DADSDESKTOP have the same password as do the local administrator accounts DadsLaptop, Jim, and Joe on DADSLAPTOP and the local administrator accounts MomsLaptop, DadsLaptop, and Joe on MOMSLAPTOP. (In other words, they all have the same password.)
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  7. Try3's Avatar
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       #17

    gfr92y said:
    The local administrator accounts DadsDesktop and Joe on DADSDESKTOP have the same password as do the local administrator accounts DadsLaptop, Jim, and Joe on DADSLAPTOP and the local administrator accounts MomsLaptop, DadsLaptop, and Joe on MOMSLAPTOP. (In other words, they all have the same password.)
    Joe,

    I was already replying that your comments on this particular topic have confused me.
    You must have at least one admin account on every computer that has the same username & the same password i.e. the same [common] admin account with the same password on every computer [Having more than one does not hurt but does not achieve anything]
    I don't think you are confirming that with your explanations but am not at all sure.

    Denis
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  8. Try3's Avatar
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       #18

    Joe,

    Everyone,
    MOMSLAPTOP//DadsLaptop,
    MOMSLAPTOP//Joe, and
    MOMSLAPTOP//Sue
    I have never seen Everyone combined with these other entries. I cannot see that it would limit anything but I do wonder.

    Because you have used the same names for computers and users, I am not even sure what those entries mean. Surely they would be in the format
    MOMSLAPTOP\Joe
    or
    \\MOMSLAPTOP\Joe
    ???



    I would greatly appreciate any assistance anyone can give me with the incredibly difficult networking problem!
    Do bear in mind that you have already demonstrated that you do not have a network problem. This proves it beyond any doubt
    Networking 3 Windows 10 machines-273519d1586294416-networking-3-windows-10-machines-ddm.jpg

    What you have is a problem with an application accessing your network.
    - Perhaps Word is very slow to resolve those combined sharing permissions
    Everyone,
    MOMSLAPTOP//DadsLaptop,
    MOMSLAPTOP//Joe, and
    MOMSLAPTOP//Sue

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 07 Apr 2020 at 17:35.
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  9. Samuria's Avatar
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       #19

    Did you try post 15 ?
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  10. Posts : 14
    Windows 7 Home Premium (x64) SP1 (build 7601)
    Thread Starter
       #20

    Samuria said:
    Are you sharing users document and folder in their profile as they have special permissions gained from above even on the pc as admin its likley your cant connect to other users files. You should be trying to connect to a share not the pc you trying \\\mootherpc it should be \\motherpc\sharename.
    if your account and password are the same on the other pc and admin open a cmd prompt then try
    net use s: \\motherpc\c$
    I am not sure I understand your questions/suggestions, but I think the following information may be helpful...

    If I want to share Jim's Downloads folder, I would either right click on the Downloads folder, i.e., c:\users\jim\downloads, and select [Give Access To] or [Properties] or I would left click on the Downloads folders and select [Share] located in between [Home] and [View] at the top of the Windows Explorer window.

    I am unfamiliar with sharing folders in users' profiles and I know nothing about granting special permissions other than (i) Read and Read/Write, and (ii) Full Control, Change, and Read.

    1. When I am on DadsLaptop and I click on [DADSDESKTOP] under [Network] in Windows Explorer, all of the shared files and folders on DadsDesktop appear.
    2. Likewise, when I am on DadsDesktop and I click on [DADSLAPTOP] under [Network] in Windows Explorer, all of the shared files and folders on DadsLaptop appear.
    3. Similarly, when I am on MomsLaptop and I click on either [DADSDESKTOP] or [DADSLAPTOP] under [Network], all of the shared files and folders on the respective computer appear.
    4. However, When I am on DadsLaptop or DadsDesktop and I click on [MOMSLAPTOP] under [Network] in Windows Explorer, I receive the message "Windows cannot access \\MOMSLAPTOP; You do not have permission to access \\MOMSLAPTOP. Contact your network administrator [which is me] to request access. For more information about permissions, see Windows Help and Support.".
    5. This behavior is duplicated when I am on either DadsLaptop or DadsDesktop and I attempt to open files and/or folders on MomsLaptop from Word, Excel, etc., etc.

    When I enter the command exactly as you typed it:

    net[blank]use[blank]s:[blank]\\MomsLaptop\c$

    I get the following error message:

    "System error 53 has occurred. The network path was not found."






    - - - Updated - - -

    Try3 said:
    Joe,

    I was already replying that your comments on this particular topic have confused me.
    You must have at least one admin account on every computer that has the same username & the same password i.e. the same [common] admin account with the same password on every computer [Having more than one does not hurt but does not achieve anything]
    I don't think you are confirming that with your explanations but am not at all sure.

    Denis
    If you simply disregard the references to the user accounts DadsDesktop, DadsLaptop, Jim and MomsLaptop, it seems clear that there is one user account on all three computers with the same password.

    The local administrator accounts DadsDesktop and Joe on DADSDESKTOP have the same password as do the local administrator accounts DadsLaptop, Jim, and Joe on DADSLAPTOP and the local administrator accounts MomsLaptop, DadsLaptop, and Joe on MOMSLAPTOP. (In other words, they all have the same password.)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Samuria said:
    Did you try post 15 ?

    Yes, please see my response; i.e., Post 20
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