Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?

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  1. wiganken's Avatar
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    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?


    January 2019 - ADSL broadband speed: -
    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?-bb-speed-jan-2019.png

    Actual speed was regularly 16 + Mbps.

    December 2019 - ADSL broadband speed: -
    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?-bb-speed-dec-2019.png

    Actual speed is regularly 12.5Mbps.

    One day it was 16+ Mbps then the first day of new contract it was down to 12.5 Mbps so it has got to be deliberate. The line is capable of 16+ Mbps but suddenly it is capped at 12.5 Mbps.

    I believe that this is a deliberate tactic by BT / Openreach to get people to move over to fibre as part of the move to switch off copper wire ADSL, and I can understand it, but has anyone else noticed their ‘copper’ ADSL speed being reduced at contract renewal time?

    BT to Propose Full Fibre Move and Copper Switch Off by 2027 UPDATE - ISPreview UK

    Be interesting to see if it is becoming a widespread practice.
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  2. jimbo45's Avatar
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    wiganken said:
    January 2019 - ADSL broadband speed: -
    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?-bb-speed-jan-2019.png

    Actual speed was regularly 16 + Mbps.

    December 2019 - ADSL broadband speed: -
    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?-bb-speed-dec-2019.png

    Actual speed is regularly 12.5Mbps.

    I believe that this is a deliberate tactic by BT / Openreach to get people to move over to fibre as part of the move to switch off copper wire ADSL and I can understand it but has anyone else noticed their ‘copper’ ADSL speed being reduced at contract renewal time?

    BT to Propose Full Fibre Move and Copper Switch Off by 2027 UPDATE - ISPreview UK

    Be interesting to see if it is becoming a widespread practice.
    Hi there

    At this difficult time where many more people will be working from home and using the Internet far more for all sorts of things e.g "Virtual Pub meets, parties etc", and of course streaming a load more movies etc I doubt whether ANY ISP on the planet will be messing around with their infrastructure currently until all this stuff is all over.

    Of course moving from Copper (expensive to source, expensive to maintain, environmentally very "Planet Unfriendly", comes from countries where Child Labour is rife and terrible conditions in the mines) to optical fibre makes perfect sense.

    As to pricing -- presumably if you have any sort of sensible regulatory systems in place then it's up to consumers to prevent themselves from getting ripped off.

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  3. wiganken's Avatar
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    Thanks for reply. I believe it is a general slowing down of ADSL copper broadband leading up to the switch-off. Here is a picture from 'Computer Active' magazine showing other ISPs only offering 11 Mbps: -
    Is BT / Openreach slowing down copper wire ADSL speed?-adsl-speeds-jan-2020.jpg

    I reckon ADSL speeds will continue to be slowed down pushing people to switch to fibre at next contract renewal time.
    I also reckon that future basic fibre speeds will not be as fast as they are now as more and more people use the available fibre bandwidth.

    This is not a complaint. It's just an observation and acceptance that that is the way things are going to go.
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  4. Golden's Avatar
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    jimbo45 said:
    comes from countries where Child Labour is rife and terrible conditions
    More factually incorrect nonsense.
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  5. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Hi there @Golden

    this type of thing is RIFE in congo etc.

    Is your phone tainted by the misery of 35,000 children in Congo's mines? | Siddharth Kara | Global development | The Guardian

    Just because places like Australia have proper labour practices doesn't mean that others do -- and unfortunately a lot of people neither know or care so long as they can get their products as cheap as possible.

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  6. Samuria's Avatar
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    High speed internet is cheaper then ADSL Vodafone £20 as is tt and 3 do 4g 23+ met download for £23
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  7. Golden's Avatar
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    @jimbo - cobalt and copper are not the same thing.

    Although copper in mined in the Congo, it only places around 6th or 7th in the world production statistics, and of that the major proportion is from well run and reputable mining companies.
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    Golden said:
    @jimbo - cobalt and copper are not the same thing.

    Although copper in mined in the Congo, it only places around 6th or 7th in the world production statistics, and of that the major proportion is from well run and reputable mining companies.
    Hi there

    @Golden

    operative word

    OFF Topic

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    The overall speed of outdated and no longer developed technologies such as Copper ADSL is bound to drop off here in the UK

    There are limited providers of this service in the UK, in fact there are basically two infrastructure systems, BT openreach and Virgin Media, they built, own, and operate these systems, these systems are relatively expensive to maintain so they are being phased out to be replaced by newer technologies. The system is physically worn out so the efficiency is lower than it was and if left in place would eventually disappear completely. replacement with newer fibre technologies is cheaper that renew or repair of the outdated systems.

    There is also the issue that the systems are being more regulated than they were, providers have to give a more realistic figure of available bandwidth to the majority of their customers, not as it used to be, the best bandwidth possible if you lived next to the exchange, and it is utilised for more purposes, every small shop these days is expected to accept credit and debit cards, so need some internet connection, they get the cheapest available as times are hard for their business.

    The press advert shown above, shows three providers who rent the infrastructure from BT Openreach, two at a similar contract terms and price which is to be expected and SKY, the modern highwaymen of the digital superhighway There is also the Virgin option that utilises mostly Virgin's own fibre optic Digital Infrastructure, to provide speeds at nearer to modern expectations, at 1.5 the cost for almost five times the speed so considerably more value for money.
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  10. wiganken's Avatar
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    Back on topic I only pay £2.50/month for my 12.5 Mbps speed. I pay my "Line Rental Saver" upfront so, including that (equates to £16.50/month), my total is only £20/month so no complaints on that score.

    I don't need high speed. I only have one streaming device and only do basic internet stuff so even 12.5 Mbps is fast enough for me but I agree that the future is fibre. It is just that I do not need high speeds but I will still have to pay high speed prices. Ah well! That's progress.
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