Can't get two ethernet networked computers to communicate

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  1. Try3's Avatar
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       #21

    SoFine409 said:
    This might give you a way to transfer you user data to your new account.
    Fix You've been signed in with a temporary profile in Windows 10
    Before you try it you should run a complete image backup in case something goes wrong.
    coffent,

    You do not need to transfer anything.

    Denis
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  2. Posts : 70
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       #22

    I'm not sure why my posts are not showing up - I posted the message below about 12 hours ago, but now I find it's gone. Here it is again, slightly updated:

    Thanks, everyone, for your helpful suggestions!

    SoFine409: Brink's instructions look horrendously complex. However I see under C:\users both my original account and the new account. I wonder if copying the files in the original account over to and replacing those in the new account is worth trying? (After, of course, backing up the C: drive)

    PiKo: Your link got me halfway there! I turned off Password Protected Sharing on my laptop. (It was already off on my desktop.) That did away with the Credentials problem, and I can now get to files on the desktop from the laptop. However I still am denied "permission" to access laptop files from the desktop.

    signus21: I did have "Allow remote connections to this computer" enabled on both computers, so that wasn't the cause.

    Try3: I'm not sure I understand. I've reverted to my original account, though the newly-created user account still exists on both computers. However with the original account, I'm still denied permission (see my response to PiKo above).

    I've since found that when signed in to my desktop as the new guest user I created, I can access my laptop regardless of whether I'm signed in to the laptop as the new guest user or as the original administrator user. However when signed in to my desktop as the original administrator user I can't access the laptop, no matter what its user. I think I'm right in concluding that the problem must lie with the desktop, not the laptop.

    BOTTOM LINE: What setting do I need to change on my desktop's administrator user profile so that I don't get the "permission is denied" error message when I try to access another computer on my home network. Whatever that setting is, it seems to be set correctly on the laptop, but not on the desktop.
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  3. Try3's Avatar
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       #23

    1 "guest user" means something very specific. Please clarify how you created this account and which user groups it is listed as belonging to when you enter this at a command prompt / powershell window
    [taking, for example, a new account called Fred]
    net user Fred

    2 When you entered the new account at the network credentials prompt, did you set the checkbox for remember credentials?

    3 Does the new account exist on both computers and does it have the same username and the same password on both computers? This is essential.

    4 Somebody told you about transferring files to a new account. That is not necessary because you should be able to carry on using the account that you were using when this all started.

    5 I worded these questions this way because I think your previous posts say that you have now created a new local user account [admin accounts, password protected] on each computer. This thread is becoming difficult to follow so please tell me if I have misunderstood this point.

    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 17 Mar 2020 at 10:38.
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  4. SoFine409's Avatar
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       #24

    @coffent put my recommendation on hold and work with Try3.
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       #25

    BOTTOM LINE: What setting do I need to change on my desktop's administrator user profile so that I don't get the "permission is denied" error message when I try to access another computer on my home network. Whatever that setting is, it seems to be set correctly on the laptop, but not on the desktop.


    Are you using the same password for the Administrator account on ALL PCs?
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  6. Posts : 70
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       #26

    Hi Try3,

    I certainly agree that the thread is becoming difficult to follow and I appreciate your slogging through it. You may have identified one problem.

    When I go Control Panel > User Accounts on either computer it says:

    {Name1}
    Local Account
    Administrator
    Password Protected

    where {Name1} is the account name. (The same thing is displayed when I go to Settings > Accounts, except that the Password Protected line isn't shown.)

    When I do as you suggest and at the command prompt type "net user" on either computer it responds with:

    User accounts for \\DESKTOP [or \\LAPTOP]
    Administrator.......{Name2}........{Name3}
    DefaultAccount.....Guest.............WDAGUtilityAccount

    {Name3} is the new user account I set up, which does allow both computers to share files (but which loses all the customization I have made).

    When I moved from Win7 to Win10 some time ago, I was forced (for reasons that escape me now) to name my account {Name2} rather than {Name1}.

    Why are there two different names ({Name1} and {Name2}) for what I thought was the same account, depending upon whether I display the information via Control Panel or Command Prompt?

    The two different names add unwanted confusion, and I'd certainly like to merge them. However the situation is the same on both computers, yet I can access network files from the laptop but not from the desktop.

    To answer your specific questions:

    (1) I created the new {Name3} account by going to "Settings > Family & other users > Add someone else to this PC", then declining to open a Microsoft account and creating a local account instead.

    (2) I'm quite sure I set the checkbox for remember credentials.

    (3) The new {Name3} account exists on both computers and has the same password. The same is true for the {Name1}/{Name2} account, except for the duplicate name confusion.

    (4) I agree - I want to stay with the original account with all its customization.

    (5) To reduce the difficulty of following this long series of exchanges, I'll once again state the problem as I see it now:

    Having set up a new administrator user account (see (1) above) I can access the other networked computer's files from either my desktop or my laptop.

    With my original administrator account which may be named either {Name1} or {Name2} (see above), I can access the desktop computer from the laptop, but not v.v.

    - - - Updated - - -

    xaccell: Yes, I'm using the same password on both PCs.
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       #27

    (3) The new {Name3} account exists on both computers and has the same password. The same is true for the {Name1}/{Name2} account, except for the duplicate name confusion.

    You didn't include THE administrator account in this statement. So Im still not sure if we are talking about the same accounts here. I mean the built-in Administrator account, not a regular user with administrative priviliges. That account (and all others) should have the same password on all PCs.
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  8. Try3's Avatar
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    coffent,

    I don't like contradicting others but I urge you to ignore any suggestions to enable or otherwsie fiddle with the Built-In admin account that has the username "Administrator". There is no need to do so, none whatsoever, and it will not help. We can, if you want, have a discussion about this later.

    I'm going to study your last post after I've had some food and then I'll reply properly. But I think that you have done what you should have done.
    1 The apparent difference in which name appears can often be caused by one of the accounts being an MSAccount-linked user account. I'll explain this better later. I think {Name1} is an MSAccount-linked user account and {Name2} is the shortened form that Windows uses for it. I don't think this issue is any part of the problem though.
    2 I did not suggest entering net user but rather net user {Name3} to confirm that {Name3} shows as belonging to the admin group. Your comment (3) The new {Name3} account exists on both computers and has the same password. is what tells me that you have done what you ought to do - as long as it is also an admin account on both of them which I why I ask you to check.

    Having set up a new administrator user account (see (1) above) I can access the other networked computer's files from either my desktop or my laptop.
    With my original administrator account which may be named either {Name1} or {Name2} (see above), I can access the desktop computer from the laptop, but not v.v.
    I do not understand why there is this difference. I'll re-read everything to see if I can figure it out.

    Denis
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  9. Posts : 264
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       #29

    "I don't like contradicting others but I urge you to ignore any suggestions to enable or otherwsie fiddle with the Built-In admin account that has the username "Administrator". There is no need to do so, none whatsoever, and it will not help. We can, if you want, have a discussion about this later."

    In a previous post, he made it sound as he was using the ADMINISTRATOR account to access files on other PC.

    BOTTOM LINE: What setting do I need to change on my desktop's administrator user profile so that I don't get the "permission is denied" error message when I try to access another computer on my home network. Whatever that setting is, it seems to be set correctly on the laptop, but not on the desktop.
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  10. Try3's Avatar
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       #30

    Understood.

    coffent - Just to bowl out this possibility, log in to your normal account on both computers then enter in a command prompt / powershell window the command
    whoami
    and it will show your username in the form ComputerName\UserName. If either username is "Administrator" then that is unecessary and potentially quite disruptive.

    Got to go,
    Denis
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