When will MS bring back Homegroup?


  1. Posts : 16
    W10 Pro
       #1

    When will MS bring back Homegroup?


    I have a simple home network: desktop, my laptop, my wife's laptop. I cannot get them all to see one another.

    Sorry, but I do not have the patience to go into arcane setting and services to adjust 150 setting options.

    This seems to be among the most obvious things an operating system should do brainlessly.

    When will MS automate this basic task that nearly every household shares today?

    I just want to be able to print from a laptop using the printer connected to the desktop. Pretty exotic, huh?
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  2. sbh7600's Avatar
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    Windows 10 - Ver: 1809 - Build: 17763.737
       #2

    Hello,
    Maybe a dumb question, have you shared the printer connected to the desktop.?
    Maybe this will help you:
    How to Share Printer in Windows XP
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  3. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Centos, Ubuntu, OpenSuse
       #3

    Hi there

    @James Callan

    I think I posted years and years ago a really easy way to do it in the Windows 7 Forums -- still works for W10 --
    @sbh7600 the easy way to do it - doesn't have to be between XP machines etc etc.


    essentially add local printer (yes I know it's on another machine but you "poodlefake" the OS to thinking it's a local printer. enter the port and it should work -- you'll need the printer driver though on the machine that does NOT have the printer physically connected.

    I've found what I wrote -- even though it was XP and W7 - somebody filched my stuff but it's the Internet - even though I'm happy to let people have my stuff but at least acknowledge where it came from !!!!!!!

    ........

    Stand alone" Network printers can be done slightly similarly BTW).

    assume the computers are call XPMACHINE and W7MACHINE.

    1) Ensure Printer on XP machine is shared - assume it's called SHAREDPRINTER.

    2) On the Network Browsing on your W7 machine ensure you can "See" the Printer share.

    Now on the W7 machine do the following (doesn't matter if it's X-86 or x-64).

    3) Control Panel==> add LOCAL (Yes LOCAL) printer. I know it's on a Network but hold your horses -- what we are actually doing is "Poodlefaking" the W7 machine into thinking it's running the printer.

    4) Create NEW port==>Local port

    5) Portname is \\XPMACHINE\SHAREDPRINTER

    6) Now W7 will load a driver and you'll be able to print on the XP machine.

    Simple

    (For a "Network stand alone printer") at 4) chose TCPIP port
    and at 5) enter the IP address.


    If the printer is on the W7 machine and you want to print on the XP machine then do the same instructions on the XP machine --
    port name in this case will be \\W7MACHINE\SHAREDPRINTER

    ..........



    You might need to set in programs and features on BOTH machines (again via control panel) enable SMB1 but if they are all W10 machines then that probably won't be required. If you can't see machines on the network then chances are you'll need to set to enable SMB1.

    Also allow "incoming" or "remote" connections on the computer which has the printer connected to it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. dalchina's Avatar
    Posts : 19,779
    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #4

    Hi, I agree with the sentiment:
    Sorry, but I do not have the patience to go into arcane setting and services to adjust 150 setting options.
    This ... an operating system should do brainlessly.
    When will MS automate this basic task
    Having just recently networked two laptops- and just now a printer (why would I want to network my particular printer when I have to manually mollycoddle it..? - so I just did it as a trial)- I can sympathise.

    Yes, there are several standard settings needed to first configure a PC to be part of a network.
    Then there are decisions about what should be shared- that requires interaction.
    Then there's the fun bit- actually checking it works.

    Some of that could be made a lot easier with a wizard-based approach, with some steps completed by the wizard. That was available XP-7 and I think for Homegroup configuration.

    I found my shared printer simply wasn't 'seen' by the other PC, so I had to add it manually using its network path. I discovered you can have a longer PC name than the ten characters that seem to be allowed in a network path used in that manner, an unfortunate inconsistency. This is reflected in the truncated PC name shown with the shared printer.

    Presumably a relic (unless it refers to Homegroups on older Windows builds and editions):
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    See:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/...etwork-printer

    Basic tutorials - just for reference:
    Turn On or Off Network Discovery in Windows 10
    Share Files and Folders Over a Network in Windows 10
    Share a Printer in Windows 10

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  5. Posts : 16
    W10 Pro
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Sorry, but all computers are W10. The settings and options in W7, to say nothing of XP, do not help.

    All computers are set up for network discovery and file/printer sharing - it simply does nto wrok.

    In 2019, this OS is hopeless. Homegroup worked -- this doesn't. Moving backwards at high speed.
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  6. dalchina's Avatar
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    Win 10 Pro (1903)
       #6

    Thank you for your reply.

    All computers are set up for network discovery and file/printer sharing - it simply does nto wrok.
    Best post some screenshots.

    You have some tenforums tutorials above for reference.
    To post a screenshot use the Insert Image icon above your post.
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  7. jimbo45's Avatar
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    Windows / Linux : Centos, Ubuntu, OpenSuse
       #7

    James Callan said: View Post
    Sorry, but all computers are W10. The settings and options in W7, to say nothing of XP, do not help.



    All computers are set up for network discovery and file/printer sharing - it simply does nto wrok.

    In 2019, this OS is hopeless. Homegroup worked -- this doesn't. Moving backwards at high speed.
    Hi there
    @James Callan

    it doesn't have to be an XP computer --this was just an example !!!!

    It actually works fine -- tested between 3 W10 computers with an Epson printer attached to one of them. No problems whatsoever.

    Just substitute W10_1 and W10_2 for the W7 and XP computers or whatever you've called them on your LAN.

    For control panel access just on the menu (Windows key) type control panel and you can enter it.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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